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  • All things Allium - Leeks, onion, shallots etc

    I know Zazen999 was going to start a thread on this in the morning, but as mine are going in now I have stolen her thunder.

    Today, after a busy morning sorting out the home greenhouse I have sown the following.

    Rose de roscoff onion
    Red mammoth onion
    Red pearl onion
    Banana shallot
    prisma shallot
    Hative de niort shallot (sets)
    Redbeard spring onion
    White lisbon spring onion.
    Jolant leek
    Blue de solaise leek

    For the springers, I sow a pinch (6 or so seeds) to a module (24 or 40 to a tray), cover and water well. When they are well established the wole clump is planted out 4" between clumps and rows. They are pulled individually as they reach a good size and the rest of the clump left to carry on growing. This method works well as you are only planting out clumps of seedlings, not trusting seeds to germinate and the competition means some grow quicker than others giving you fabulous succession. A second sowing will be undertaken in March.

    The onions, leeks and shallot seeds are just sown about 100 seeds to a 4" pot. These are then pricked out into modules when at the crook stage, again either 24 or 40 to a tray and are kept just moist. A few clumps of onion seeds are sown, just like the springers and planted out just the same. These tend to produce smaller onions which are ideal for when you dont need a whole big one.

    The hardening off starts in February is the weather permits, for planting out in late march or early April. Any earlier results in lots of bolted onions, especially if you get a cold snap so imatience really is not rewarded with alliums.

    My leeks are planted quite differently from each other. The Bleu de solaise are a proper overwintering leek, will take hard weather, but not start to bolt till April or May. They are planted about 6" apart between plants and rows and pulled as required from late autumn. The jolant are a bit soft but make fabulous baby leeks for summer use. They will be planted an inch apart and used when finger thickness. Two sowings of these will be made for succession, the second being in March.

    Alliums really dont need, or particullarly like much heat to germinate, 10-20degrees C is ample, propogators tend to produce very leggy, soft seedlings unless you can take them out once germinated. I just leave them in the kitchen on a counter, just as I do everything else I sow and they germinate within the week.

    My onion sets will go in around the middle of March, later if the weather is bad. Too early and again the number of bolters increases dramatically, as you can pull onions at any time and use them green, there is no need to be too early.
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    Do you grow a 'white/yellow' bulbing onion from seed PW? We've plenty of red onion seeds, including some Pale de Niort, but no white/yellow ones - any recommendations?
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    • #3
      I sowed Kelsae onions (20) Golden Bear onions (20) and F1 shallot seed Matador(20) and brought them home from the allotment and popped them in the propagator on the bedroom windowsill yesterday.
      I grew Mammoth pot leeks this year (still have lots in lottie) but even though they've grown quite large they seem to be devoid of taste? Will stick with the Musselborough leeks this year which I think are much tastier and really hardy!
      Still plenty of time for those yet though!
      I still have loads of varieties of alliums to sow yet, including red and white torpedo onions and pink torpedo shallots, plus a second sowing of the three I made a start with yesterday.
      My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
      to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

      Diversify & prosper


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      • #4
        Okay, tomorrow I will plant
        Red Brunswick (Suttons)
        Lillia Red Onion (French heritage)
        Japanese Bunching Onions (Real Seeds)
        White Lisbon Spring Onion.

        Was going to use peat pots and sunny windowsill (when there is any). Compost is Fertile Fibre.

        No shallot seeds. Does anyone have any good recommendations on varieties?

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        • #5
          For info.

          Moon days for alliums for the next month are:
          Dec 28th
          Jan 7th [after 9am], 8th, 9th [until 10am], 15th [after 1pm], 16th, 17th [until 8pm], 25th [after 8am], 27th [until 7pm].

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          • #6
            Originally posted by zazen999 View Post
            For info.

            Moon days for alliums for the next month are:
            Dec 28th
            Jan 7th [after 9am], 8th, 9th [until 10am], 15th [after 1pm], 16th, 17th [until 8pm], 25th [after 8am], 27th [until 7pm].
            Do you do a 'control' zazen like sowing some on non moon days to judge whether it's a load of tosh or not?
            My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
            to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

            Diversify & prosper


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            • #7
              I'm guessing you don't look at my moon trial trial then?

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              • #8
                Onion seed sown today here too.

                Mammoth, Ailsa Craig, and Buntons Showstopper . I have sown them into modules and they are sat on my Kitchen window sill now.
                I have about 200 Autumn planted sets, and 50 odd shallots in situ already. I think that will be more than enough for me now..lol

                Wren

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FROSTYFRECKLE View Post
                  Okay, tomorrow I will plant
                  Red Brunswick (Suttons)
                  Lillia Red Onion (French heritage)
                  Japanese Bunching Onions (Real Seeds)
                  White Lisbon Spring Onion.

                  Was going to use peat pots and sunny windowsill (when there is any). Compost is Fertile Fibre.

                  No shallot seeds. Does anyone have any good recommendations on varieties?
                  matador f1 shallot from seed
                  my plot march 2013http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvzqRS0_hbQ

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by zazen999 View Post
                    I'm guessing you don't look at my moon trial trial then?
                    Nope.....................but I've had a gander now!

                    For last years toms what does [46% increase in crop per seed sown and 10% increase in crop per plant] mean?
                    I Understand the latter 10% part but don't understand the 46% bit?
                    My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                    to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                    Diversify & prosper


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                    • #11
                      can i stick my leeks in?
                      i am so not kidding guys, i can't do an essay, all i want to do is plant a leek? or two? and some spring onions, if its all going to get scientific, i am going to cry!!!!


                      * bees brave*

                      I shall be planting leeks and spring onions.................. tomorrow.............cos i have had a hard day!!!

                      ( i need more notice)
                      Vive Le Revolution!!!
                      'Lets just stick it in, and see what happens?'
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Snadger View Post
                        Nope.....................but I've had a gander now!

                        For last years toms what does [46% increase in crop per seed sown and 10% increase in crop per plant] mean?
                        I Understand the latter 10% part but don't understand the 46% bit?
                        I got 46% more crop per seed - as some seeds didn't make it to harvest.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by zazen999 View Post
                          I got 46% more crop per seed - as some seeds didn't make it to harvest.
                          So you had better germination or better disease resistance?
                          My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                          to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                          Diversify & prosper


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BrideXIII View Post
                            can i stick my leeks in?
                            i am so not kidding guys, i can't do an essay, all i want to do is plant a leek? or two? and some spring onions, if its all going to get scientific, i am going to cry!!!!


                            * bees brave*

                            I shall be planting leeks and spring onions.................. tomorrow.............cos i have had a hard day!!!

                            ( i need more notice)
                            Go for it Bride! Pointless asking which variety spose? I know,............... I know, the varieties that have green on top and white on bottom you say!
                            Last edited by Snadger; 28-12-2008, 11:39 PM.
                            My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                            to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                            Diversify & prosper


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Snadger View Post
                              So you had better germination or better disease resistance?
                              They all germinated so more resilience I suppose. They all got blight in the end, so will try another trial once the greenhouse is up. They were all hardened off together as well.

                              Originally posted by BrideXIII View Post
                              can i stick my leeks in?
                              i am so not kidding guys, i can't do an essay, all i want to do is plant a leek? or two? and some spring onions, if its all going to get scientific, i am going to cry!!!!


                              * bees brave*

                              I shall be planting leeks and spring onions.................. tomorrow.............cos i have had a hard day!!!

                              ( i need more notice)
                              I'm sowing 12 different varieties of alliums tomorrow. Just put as much or as little info as you want. Don't stress about it, just get 'em in. The info helps if things go really wrong or really right so that we could see similarities or new ways of doing things.
                              Last edited by pigletwillie; 29-12-2008, 03:51 PM.

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