Cats and bad owners

[Soomai]

That was sort of my point....

If you're saying "that's nature", then yes, to a point. In a natural environment there might me one or two wild cats per square mile. In our towns and villages there must be hundreds.

I love cats too, but is one cat worth several hundred birds and small mammals?

Firstly please do not take this as an attack as it is not meant as such.

Please define what a natural environment is? Who is the decision maker that says thats a natural environment? Is it not like that question what's the meaning of life? Nobody actually knows. We just have to get by and live and live in harmony.

[janeyo]

Oh My God! This is the 21st century. People can't go about telling all and sundry that they euthanise kittens at home and their friends behead them.

Please please report these people to the RCSPA.

Cats are never rehomes from sanctuaries without being neutered / spayed, indeed it is a requirement if you re-home a cat.

Even if you don't like cats and object to them on your garden (who doesn't!) this is awful. Thsi woman should be baned form keeping animals if she is can't get them spayed.

I am also quite shocked at the broken glass and gripper strip too. Even if they jump on it once, no they won;t prob do it again, but they may be seriously injured from doing it just once. It is someone's pet, they feed, and care for them. And pay the vet bills.

Don't do it, there are other ways, just try and be cleverer than the cat. But don't injure / kill them, it's not their fault.

janeyo

janeyo

[deezyb]

Oh My God! This is the 21st century. People can't go about telling all and sundry that they euthanise kittens at home and their friends behead them.

Please please report these people to the RCSPA.

Cats are never rehomes from sanctuaries without being neutered / spayed, indeed it is a requirement if you re-home a cat.

Even if you don't like cats and object to them on your garden (who doesn't!) this is awful. Thsi woman should be baned form keeping animals if she is can't get them spayed.

I am also quite shocked at the broken glass and gripper strip too. Even if they jump on it once, no they won;t prob do it again, but they may be seriously injured from doing it just once. It is someone's pet, they feed, and care for them. And pay the vet bills.

Don't do it, there are other ways, just try and be cleverer than the cat. But don't injure / kill them, it's not their fault.

janeyo

janeyo

I'm with you on all points Janeyo! Totally!

Dee

[TonyF]

Janeyo, I live in France and to some people here animal cruelty is a way of life almost and killing kittens is not regarded as cruel here, it's - as other people say - just the way that things are done here, as it used to be in the UK drowning the poor little things. That's why pets are abandoned in such large numbers around holiday time, can't be bothered to take them with them or make proper arrangements for their care - but the other side of that is that equally there are people here who dote on their cats and dogs, not that one outweighs the other.

There are a couple of organisations similar to the RSPCA here but they are stretched, the animal shelters are full to bursting and they are all privately funded.

We just love having our cats around us all day and we wouldn't dream of wanting to be associated with this sort of cruelty - ok, they occasionally crap on a raised bed but so what, they can't be trained not to although two use a box also but they're cats for goodness sake and cats do their own thing.

[The Doctor]

It is someone's pet, they feed, and care for them. And pay the vet bills....

I refer you to my previous post.

Like I said then, as far as I'm concerned, when they start to pay for the stuff to keep them out of other people's gardens, then they can have a say in what does or doesn't get used. Until then, quit whining if tiddles comes home a little bit worse for wear because he crapped in a garden he shouldn't!

I consider cats as pests. I have tried many things to keep them out of my garden, some successful, some not. I can tell you one thing. I get so annoyed about it and the selfishness of owners that it verges on mental anguish, and if I ever caught one in the act, I'd have a very nice new Davy Crockett hat within a few minutes! No vets bills to worry about there!

This attitude that "cats are cats, they do what they do..oh they can't be trained....etc, boring etc" by owners is exactly the same as that of idiot parents whenever their toe-rag kids get admonished for being little sh!ts. If I sent my kids over your fence, to defecate in your garden leaving crap for you to find next time you mow the lawn, dug up your flowers and then ran away, time and time again, you'd rightly be pretty annoyed too.

My wife refuses to use any of the herbs I have growing in the garden now because of the amount of cat crap in my garden.

[janeyo]

I should imagine that some cat owners are totally unaware that their cat is causing havoc in other people's gardens. Instead of maiming them maybe it would be better to find out where they live and go and see the owners. Hopefully they would be responsible enough to try and solve the problem, keeping them in at certain times etc.

I know if my cats were annoying people and nobody told me and then they were deliberately injured by someone with a hatred of what they were doing to the garden I would be seriously annoyed and upset.

It would seem you cannot educate a cat not to do something, but you can try and educate the owners.

janeyo

[The Doctor]

Educate them to do what, exactly?

We have already seen here that cat owners consider it cruel to do just about anything that might successfully control them. Convenient because it means they then don't have to do it! They're also very quick to offer solutions but very slow to offer to fund it considering it's THEIR cat that's causing the problems.

Keep them in? Nope can't do that, they're natural roamers.
Put a collar and bell on them? Nope, can't do that, it might irritate their little skinsy winsy or they might trap a paw!!
Use purpose made anti-cat strip?? Nope, that might prick their little feety weety. (Nor does it actually work for long!).

the fact that you say " IF my cats ...".means you don't know for sure they're not causing issues. Why don't owners make sure, rather than expect harrassed owners to track them down to sort it out?

It really isn't on that people who don't own cats are just expected to continually put up with this and cat owners continue their indifferent attitude.

Surely some amount of social responsibility has to be accepted when you have any pet, including a cat?

[nelliegemini]

Owning a cat 'cuts stroke risk by third' - Telegraph

I have a cat, next door up have two, next door down has one, as does her neighbour. I grow veg in my garden, the only problem I have with cats is pursuading them that the veg patch isn't a sun bed. I know cats eat birds (mine only catches rodents), mine has a collar and bell.

I think this thread will run and run because the rabid cat haters (yes, you know who you are), can only see 'dead cat good, live cat bad' and the cat lovers are mortally offended at the rampant cruelty the cat haters are proposing.

Perhaps the 'haters' suggesting carpet gripper will enjoy explainging to their little ones why there is blood all over the back garden, why the nice man from the RSPCA is using an angry voice when talking to daddy. Perhaps when dadsy wadsy is up in court and his name plastered all over the local rag they will be really proud of him.

In the meantime CALM DOWN.

Ok, I will now change my avatar, my name and if I bother posting again will do so under an alias. The Mods are letting this go on too long and it is getting too nasty, with illegal suggestions.

Not really the sort of thread/website I want to be associated with, and certainly not one I would reommend to a friend.

later .....

OK, I've read this thread again and admit perhaps I overreacted in going down the 'never darken my doorstep again' route - I was afraid of a serious flaming if I ever raised my head again - so will still post as before (can't really be bothered to set up a new identity to be perfectly honest) - anyway - cat lover or hater?? - is my avatar laughing or screaming??

[Protea]

I've just bought my first house and i will be getting my first (own, rather than parents) cat.

I am well aware that people don't like cat poo in their gardens, i had next doors cats at my old house constantly scratching up my borders but it didn't overly bother me.

A good way to keep cats IN your own garden in to use high boundaries that are not suitable for jumping up. the bird spikes are good as the cats can't see where to land safely along the top. However, i don't imagine they look that nice and they're pretty expensive.

A cheaper alternative is some flimsy trellis, the flimsier the better (which will hopefully mean cheaper!!), attach this to the top of existing fence panels. It should look more attractive, further screens the garden from neighbours, you can grow plants up it and should prevent the cats excaping from your garden. Remember to do this on gates too, and make sure you have a high, solid gate.

I guess this could also work to keep cats out of a garden, but its quite expensive for a cat that isn't yours!

I love cats, and accept that poo-ing in the soil is what they do, i don't feel the need to inflict them on others though but equally i don't necessarily want to lock them in at night. The garden fence thing will be tried first. Thankfully i'm quite rural so there's not many neighbours to annoy!

[janeyo]

I don't know for certain that my cats aren't causing havoc. But if they were I would hope that someone would come and tell me first before trying to main / kill one of them. It wouod be the responsible thign to do. I certainly value an animals life over a vegetable.
I have done lots to ensure they are safe and cause as less damage as poss, they are insured, chipped, collared and belled. I don't work as got 2 small children so we are mostly at home. The cats are mostly on the bed or with me outside. If I was out long hours then I would consider rehoming them.

I would certianly try and solve the prob if someone came and spoke to me rationally about them.

I hope the comments certain people make in their posts are not made seriously and there is nobody who would actually willingly injure a cat. If they have done in the past or plan to or even think they would like to then shame on you. I hope someone reports you.

I like to think that in your next life you may return as a cat and have a horrible neighbour nextdoor....

janeyo

[nelliegemini]

I like to think that in your next life you may return as a cat and have a horrible neighbour nextdoor....

janeyo

(Still here!) Hopefully return as a tom, time for the snip!

[janeyo]

lol

janeyo

[TonyF]

It doesn't how much the pontificating and patronising is laid out in here, using carpet gripper would harm cats paws and if one of my moggies hurt their paw because some arse had done that rather than speak to me about the problem, they would soon be speaking to the RSPCA if I didn't go route one.

The suggestion can't be justified, the bobbly bird things aren't sharp and would seem to be a reasonable alternative - whatever next, glass bottles broken into concrete.

[Soomai]

I refer you to my previous post.

Like I said then, as far as I'm concerned, when they start to pay for the stuff to keep them out of other people's gardens, then they can have a say in what does or doesn't get used. Until then, quit whining if tiddles comes home a little bit worse for wear because he crapped in a garden he shouldn't!

I consider cats as pests. I have tried many things to keep them out of my garden, some successful, some not. I can tell you one thing. I get so annoyed about it and the selfishness of owners that it verges on mental anguish, and if I ever caught one in the act, I'd have a very nice new Davy Crockett hat within a few minutes! No vets bills to worry about there!

This attitude that "cats are cats, they do what they do..oh they can't be trained....etc, boring etc" by owners is exactly the same as that of idiot parents whenever their toe-rag kids get admonished for being little sh!ts. If I sent my kids over your fence, to defecate in your garden leaving crap for you to find next time you mow the lawn, dug up your flowers and then ran away, time and time again, you'd rightly be pretty annoyed too.

My wife refuses to use any of the herbs I have growing in the garden now because of the amount of cat crap in my garden.

Moderators - I call you to close this thread now before things get out of hand

I personally will be contacting the RSPCA to request that they get in touch with you directly about comments posted on this site, which should not be encouraged.

People are allowed their opinions, but lines have to be drawn somewhere.

[The Doctor]

...can only see 'dead cat good, live cat bad' and the cat lovers are mortally offended at the rampant cruelty the cat haters are proposing.

I can't speak for anyone else, but no where in this thread have I advocated the use of cruelty. I do not include the use of identity collars as cruel.

As far as I'm concerned, it should be " cat in my garden, bad;cat in your garden, good"

Perhaps the 'haters' suggesting carpet gripper will enjoy explainging to their little ones why there is blood all over the back garden....

Yep, had to do this. And then explain why and where the headless birds that accompanied the mess came from. And it wasn't foxes!

... had done that rather than speak to me about the problem, they would soon be speaking to the RSPCA if I didn't go route one.

Since it seems to be considered cruel to put a collar on tiddles, how do you suggest someone track down a cat's so called owner?

Thinking about it, how do you define ownership of a cat? especially one that you only see for a couple of hours a day?

Perhaps I should declare ownership of all cats I find in my garden since they spend so much time there and keep them?