Cats and bad owners

[The Doctor]

Moderators - I call you to close this thread now before things get out of hand

I personally will be contacting the RSPCA to request that they get in touch with you directly about comments posted on this site, which should not be encouraged.

People are allowed their opinions, but lines have to be drawn somewhere.

And where do you draw the line?

No where in this thread has anyone addressed any of the issues I have raised by offering an acceptable solution that works, works well and doesn't cost money. It wasn't me advocating the use of carpet gripper, by the way, and if you had bothered to read the whole thread you would see that my previous comments have some support from respected members of this site.

I guess you think people should just shut up and put up as far as cats are concerned, and use threats of the RSPCA to try and shut people up.

[nelliegemini]

I refer you to my previous post.

and if I ever caught one in the act, I'd have a very nice new Davy Crockett hat within a few minutes! No vets bills to worry about there!

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I can't speak for anyone else, but no where in this thread have I advocated the use of cruelty. :

Sorry to use selective quotes but ........

Hey - close the thread

[Soomai]

It was no threat. This thread has been reported. I draw the line of barbaric suggestions of carpet gripper being made. At no point have I stated that people should just shut up and put up. But people should use their brains before making these types of unlawful suggestions.

I have read a number of humane solutions that have been offered. However, every pest solution has some cost. No solution is completely free.

I appreciate that you did not make this suggestion and apologise to you. I had clicked on q reply instead post reply.

[Geo]

I asked for this thread to be deleted many posts ago..

In saying that..

I think you are a Slug Soomai for reporting fellow members..

See that cat,thats you



Geo..

[kirsty b]

I have two cats and I'm happy to have them.
As a 3 month old kitten my female, Litle Puss was knocked off the fence and savaged by neighbours german shephard and very nearly killed. She has never been the same since. She stays home, going out long enough to do her business, in OUR garden I might add and to my knowlegde has never hunted.
My neutered tom, Big Puss is a sod. He has only brought home one little corpse and that was 3 years ago but he is a wanderer. Both my cats wear collars, with easy release catches. They must work, as they sometimes come home without it and therefore need a new one.
Both my cats come down into the kitchen every morning, stay in all night and most of the day in winter. In summer they spend slightly more time outside, mostly sunning themselves on the garage roof.
There are loads of cats round my area, and loads of birds too.

Some peeps like cats, some don't, thats their prerogative, but its not all their fault that there has been a decline in wild bird life.

Just putting this one in so that those who may not have read the whole thread know that I am not a cat hater at all. I am an owner and lover of cats having had them as pets all my life and would be happy to invite any RSPCA inspector into my home to check on them, my dogs and my fences.

How about the grip strips you put down when laying carpet? I considered using them all over the chook run roof as a fox deterrent.

And now to this. It was an ill advised comment and I apologise to any of you it offended but in my eyes this thread has just turned plain nasty. I would never aim to hurt my cats or one belonging to somebody else and am incredibly upset that more than a few of you feel that I would. It was meant only as a response to a post wondering if there is a way of finding cheaper solution to the fence toppers sold by some companies. Again I apologise for it, however, anybody offended could have PM'd me and I would have removed the post and posted an apology without the abuse.
I don't plan on returning to this thread, so don't feel you need to respond.

[TrishY]

There were some flat panels that go along the top of a fence with long 'spikes' on in the kleeneze catalogue that I got last week. It said they were to keep cats out of the garden. They weren't sharp spikes but long enough so a cat couldn't land and leap off the top of the fence

my post started off the discussion about carpet grippers and I feel bad because I intended the suggestion in my post to be a safe for the cat deterrent. Other posters said these panels work so carpet grippers don't even need to be mentioned or used for cruelty

[Paul Wagland]

This was always going to be a heated debate wasn't it?!

I think the security or 'anti-bird' strips are a good idea, but I would suggest it is the responsibility of the cat owner to stop the cat getting out of their garden, rather than that of everyone else in the local neighbourhood to stop the cat getting in.

I doubt carpet grippers would 'shred' a cat's paws. I've stepped on one in bare feet before, and it was uncomfortable but not harmful. I doubt they would even work as a deterrent - the spikes probably aren't close enough together, or big enough to stop a cat scrambling over. Either way, if a cat's owner bears the cost and effort of securing their own garden, they can easily create a safe environment for their pet.

[Matt.]

No need to delete this thread. There are many valid and valuable comments regarding acceptable means of cat control. I think all that is required is moderation of some sentences and posts by some cat lovers and haters alike.

[Paulottie]

Hi Paul

... For 'Heated' read 'Snoozeworthy' debate. I think this is going round in circles. Simple stuff... bad cat/owners..OWNERS of course.

Just because feline fanciers think the limit of their responsibility is a can of whiskers every day or three the rest of us must put up with their pets. I don't think I should like to hurt even a cruel animal like a cat but, as I and many others have said many posts ago... 'Introduce licensing, get collars with bells and tags, get them spayed, provide clean litter and keep them on your property.' The proceeds should fund a round up of feral cats. If you can't afford it/look after it don't keep a pet

Just had that big tabby sniffing round my chickens again. Oh, but then that's OK for the folk in our street(we think we know where it lives now) to go out to work all day and let their animal out to worry MY guinea pigs and chickens on MY PROPERTY. So it follows that I don't have to stop my chooks scratching up their garden then?..."Oh sorry they must have escaped -can't blame them it's in their nature"

I remember one innovative chap I saw on telly once was so fed up he went to the trouble and expense of installing a movement censored sprinkler system! I suppose that might traumatize poor 'Tiddles'

Finally I seem to remember from when I took in a stray (or rather it adopted me) in London that the she was found by our neighbours giving birth in a ditch and then very quickly had more kittens (that I had to home) before I payed for it to be snipped and generally innoculated,wormed, deflead -It was well fed had a litter try and a lot more friendly after that...a pleasure to know and no more mouse problems.

As distasteful as this French chopping their heads off thing sounds to me I don't suppose it is any worse than the traditional British method of a weighted sack in the canal. The trouble is that breeding cats don't make good pets that stay at home..they are a liability and the feral cat population MUST be contained..Surely even cat owners must see that having fighting cats on the block is a danger to their pets(and liable to result in vet bills)

What is this link to the telegraph I can't seem to remove in the trackback section- are we to be censored now? is big brother watching? Are people obliged to follow the more outrageous advice on this site? can we not do what we wish on our own gardens(within the law)....Can we now not discuss what we wish? And streuth ...I just HATE tell-tales.

[nelliegemini]

The link to the trackback section must be my fault, I apologise. I was just trying to provide link on one of my posts and have evidently inserted it elsewhere by accident. I know about as much about trackbacks as I do about slug control!

I thought it just provided a link for anyone clicking on my old message to read the story, perhaps trying to provide a calming influence. Missed the point there again!

Anyway, if it was my fault will one of you computer whizz kids tell me how to delete it and I will do so if I am the only one who can do so. No big brother meant, no censorship implied, no criticism meant, no opnion, no nothing (turns into little white dog from car advert, shivering and mumbling -I would provide a link but anything could happen)

[mrs dog]

In the long distant past (around1100ish) a king who was a cat lover gave them the freedom to roam wherever and whenever they wished. There are now plants called cat scarer which are supposed to deter them and lion poo really does work. We none of use like cat dirt but they are truely beautiful creatures and I still miss mine every day. He was nearly 30 when he went and even the dogs missed him.

[Derek]

With respect I don't think that there were so many cats around in the year 1100.

I have arrived home this evening ironically enough to listen in graphic details to my wife explaining how she tried in vain to stop a local cat dismembering a blackbird chick this afternoon

[Paulottie]

(turns into little white dog from car advert, shivering and mumbling -I would provide a link but anything could happen)

My lottie nieghbours' dog is the spit of that dog in character too.

Happy I shan't be in print then...not that !'m even interesting enough to get in GYO!!

[Soomai]

Paulottie - you hit the nail on the head that I have been trying to get across to people - within the law.

Lets all turn a blind eye and let everyone do what they want, how they want. That would be an interesting and dangerous world.

Unfortunately in todays world I see the art of common sense disappearing rapidly. Therefore strongly believe that before giving advice just double check it is legal.

I'm all for tale telling if it saves a life, stops a thief, helps someone find out who vandalised their property.... I could go on with many more examples. Can you honestly answer that you have never told on someone for the greater good.

[Geo]