Cats and bad owners

[Paulottie]

Paulottie - you hit the nail on the head that I have been trying to get across to people - within the law.

Lets all turn a blind eye and let everyone do what they want, how they want. That would be an interesting and dangerous world.

Unfortunately in todays world I see the art of common sense disappearing rapidly. Therefore strongly believe that before giving advice just double check it is legal.

I'm all for tale telling if it saves a life, stops a thief, helps someone find out who vandalised their property.... I could go on with many more examples. Can you honestly answer that you have never told on someone for the greater good.

I'm not sure anything illegal has been suggested here(distasteful yes).
Turning a blind eye ...The French have a great expression "mele toi de tes onions" (tend to your own onions)

I don't see any life threatening situations, or anybody being robbed or criminal damage for that matter( but telling the owner is not the same as the authorities) This is just a discussion which hopefully will infact STOP people doing anything cruel to an animal. I think you will find the Grapes here have abundant common sense (thank you) and we are a pretty self regulating bunch...Very few debates or posts get so personal to require deletion or even comment by the Moderators

I went to boarding school aged seven and even spent a spell in gaol many moons ago. You don't thrive long in life if you tell teacher rather than fight your own battles...And whilst I am opinionated, sometimes wrong and a devil's advocate: I am not so conceited as to believe myself the judge of the 'greater good.' nor wish others injudicial comments to be censored. Anyway I certainly wouldn't consider your moggy the greater good.

[Soomai]

"Very few debates or posts get so personal to require deletion or even comment by the Moderators"

"Anyway I certainly wouldn't consider your moggy the greater good." A less personal comment would have been "Anyway I certainly wouldn't consider any moggy the greater good"

"I think you are a Slug Soomai for reporting fellow members.." A less personal would have been " I don't think you followed the right course of action by reporting fellow members"

Are the above two sentences not personal to me then.

To all that have made the assumption that I have come on to this thread from the point of view of a cat lover the believes cat should roam. How wrong you all are. Please point out the comment that I have made to suggest this. I decided to get involved as I was concerned about the unlawful method that was being suggested. Anything that is put up that would hurt an animal that is not legally classed as a pest is an offence.

I now understand and have taken advice from the threads that have not been helpful that there was a better course of action for me to take. I am always willing to learn by mistakes and state I was wrong when challenged in a mature and non-personal manor.

Maybe that's the problem in this world today, lack of morals and knowing the difference from good and bad and standing up for what you believe in. We all judge, none of us can see we do not. However, so many of us do not stand up so many of us turn a blind eye.

I guess now you are all going to judge me and post more personal comments about me, rather than about the topic in hand. After all I'm just a name on a forum, not a person in front of you.

[Nicos]

Soomai- when this thread dies down I expect people will just get back to the world of gardening.
Nothing wrong with a heated debate- in fact it's been interesting for those of us just following it.
I really had no idea people hated cats so much!

[percy charlie]

i used to have a cat and an unusal soul she was, she liked baths!!! and would jump in before or while you got in if you where not careful. she hated going outside if i put her out the door would beg to come in would only go in the litter tray and was scared of plants (loved my curtains though) she was a lazy persian and only friendly to certain people. When i had to move back to my parents my mum was attacked by a cat as a child and now very phobic i gave her to some friends who really wanted a cat. She was like a sterotyped teenager with step parents trashed their garden when they sent her out ripped the £3000 sofa decimated the four poster bed and attacked his beloved birds in the avery and wild ones in the garden while settling in, and as they love her to bits have not deterred her and let her get away with it, although he got rid of his avery. shes very happy maybe my only grass garden at the time was too boring for her and the flower tubs scared her, or maybe she knew if she trashed the furniture my hubby would not have let her get away with it. miss her but shes the only cat for streets and my friends spoil her rotten.
As for dealing with neighbours cats cat poo, find out which house each cat lives in and when it toilets in your garden bag it up put a note with it saying you caught the cat in action your garden is not a toilet so you have returned their cats property. They may think twice about keeping a cat or getting another especially if other houses on the street do this as well as you.!!!!!!! goodluck

[rosheen]

Landmines work

[Paul Wagland]

This is the stuff I was thinking about - I've found it for less than £2 per metre. As I said though, I believe it's the cat owner's responsibility to keep their cat out of your garden. A reasonable owner might agree to pay for alterations to your garden if you explained the problems you were having...?

Pigeon & gull pest control & seagull control & bird proofing & seagull spikes & pigeon spikes installed & DIY Shop

[Geo]

I have tried those strips...

The local cats can walk along them

Geo..

[daleclarke]

Cats & the Law

After digging around further (sorry for the pun) it seems that Cat owners do have a duty of law to make sure their cats do not cause damage to persons or property. Even though no cat owner has been taken to court about damage to people, one possible case that has not be tested yet is if a child loses/damages their eyesight and it can be proved that it was caused by the said Cats poo, the owner will be liable. Furthermore Cat owners are liable for any damage to property and can be sued and it seems has been done in the past.

It seems they have a right to roam but not to cause damage. I am trying to find a court case that was mentioned to me of someone who took a cat owner to court for killing a Robin. It seems there is an issue to who has the most protection via the law 'Cats' or 'Birds'.

Will make interesting reading as to which is seen as the most important.

So get out you Digital Cameras as this could well be your best weapon against bad Cat owners...


I came across this
'Because they are classed as vermin, feral cats ("nuisance cats") may legally be controlled by shooting by the landowner or his agents. They many also be live-trapped (using human box traps) and euthanized. More rarely, a feral cat is shot by a trained pest control operative because it is untrappable and there is no safe alternative.'

and what is a feral Cat...

Feral cats are wild animals. Some are abandoned pets; others are born in the wild to existing ferals or to strays. Kittens born in the wild, with no exposure to humans during the socialisation period (3-8 weeks) become wild animals. Many ferals approach familiar people for food and some become tame through regular contact, or are tamed by carers. Farm cats (barn cats) are often considered to be "semi-feral" or "semi-tame" since they are accustomed to some (albeit limited) interaction with humans

Therefore if it can be proved that someone has left a Cat outside while they are at work they can be seen to be abandoned in the context of the above...

[nelliegemini]

[In the meantime CALM DOWN.

Ok, I will now change my avatar, my name and if I bother posting again will do so under an alias. The Mods are letting this go on too long and it is getting too nasty, with illegal suggestions.

Not really the sort of thread/website I want to be associated with, and certainly not one I would reommend to a friend.

later .....

OK, I've read this thread again and admit perhaps I overreacted in going down the 'never darken my doorstep again' route - I was afraid of a serious flaming if I ever raised my head again - so will still post as before (can't really be bothered to set up a new identity to be perfectly honest) - anyway - cat lover or hater?? - is my avatar laughing or screaming??

Just wanted to bring your attention to the above - reason for editing??

'Taken a deep breath and calmed down'

[nelliegemini]

So, need your help with this one (and it isn't a good vs bad, dogs vs cats thing)

Down the road from me lives a lovely dog, she nips into the wood, hops over the wall and into our garden. I take her back and the owner says 'just shout at her, shove her back in the wood and she will make her own way home', but ... the wood opens onto a busy main road 3 doors down from where the dog lives, so I always take her home and get told to shout and shove her over blah blah etc.

So what would you do, risk roverette getting run over or put up with the owner who seems to think we are encouraging the dog by not doing what she says, the shouting and shoving?

[Paulottie]

Goodness me, A dog definitely has just ONE master/ress It is in no way your responsibility to discipline their dog. You are being very kind taking it back- let alone with such care and caution.

They need to make urgent arrangement to secure their dog within their property.

[srodders]

Keep the dog yourself - Dogs are good

[SarzWix]

Ring the dog warden Nell. This won't get the dog put to sleep or anything nasty like that, but the owner will get 'advice' on how best to take care of a dog, and asked not to allow it to roam. We did that when a black lab kept turning up at my Ma's house, and it never came back after that.

[nelliegemini]

Keep the dog yourself - Dogs are good

I know, promised myself one as soon as I gave up work, but this one doesn't like my cat!

Sarzwix, that's a good suggestion as long as the dog warden did a 'found wandering on the street' lecture to them, they know where I live

I know why she comes back, first visit was last summer when we had a day time party, house and garden full of food and drink - dog paradise

[Sue]

I've been reading this with great interest...
I'm a cat owner - got three but mine don't go outside. I've never quite seen the point of having cats if they're dumped outside all the time.

And how many of these crapping cats are pedigrees I wonder? When you buy a pedigree cat you are advised (even told to or you can't have the cat) to keep them inside, a) they're valuable, £3-500 each and b) they're valuable because they're beautiful and wonderful animals.

I've got Devon Rex and if I did let them roam then it wouldn't be the gardens that would be the major problem, it would be people's houses. They are very much of the "I wonder what would happen if I just shove this a bit....crash" school of thinking so are quite capable of creating havoc as well as making themselves at home and helping themselves to anything that took their fancy.

I didn't follow this advise with my first Rex cat, and I let him go outside and one day when he didn't come home, I went out searching and found him at 2am with his muzzle slit open, I was almost certain it was a restaurant kitchen two doors down the street, he shouldn't have been there but I would have appreciated someone telling me first before doing such a horrible thing. As soon as the Vet was open he was sewn up and healed well, but it was the end of his wanderings and he lived to be 24 years old.

And outside cats, besides crapping in other people's gardens get lost, injured and even stolen. So at least I know mine are not causing trouble, are safe and out of harms way.
Sue