The "sack 'em" culture

[smallblueplanet]

Oh so you don't mean actually 'sacked', which is what you put first...

We're both in agreement that we're fed up with this culture of people being sacked when things go wrong. You know how it is - someone's employed to do a job up high, they mess around with things for a couple of years, things don't work out great, they make a bit of a mess and they're sacked. Someone else comes in for a couple of years... and so the cycle continues.

If that was your boss you'd be happy for them to be kept on in their jobs until they got it right then? Thats what you're saying?

[HeyWayne]

Oh so you don't mean actually 'sacked', which is what you put first...



If that was your boss you'd be happy for them to be kept on in their jobs until they got it right then? Thats what you're saying?

Manda sweetheart, if I said the sky was blue you'd disagree with me.

You win, well done.

[smallblueplanet]

Manda sweetheart, if I said the sky was blue you'd disagree with me.

You win, well done.

Thanks for patronising me HW, you're good at that. So as I asked as part of the discussion...you'd be happy working for them would you?

[HeyWayne]

Thanks for patronising me HW, you're good at that.

Pot calling the kettle dare I say?

[smallblueplanet]

No, sweetheart - you've been deliberately evading the point I've been making all the way thru the thread.

You still haven't said how you'd feel as a co-worker of one of these 'sacked' high ups, if they were still your boss? They get the 'sack' because they've failed to do their job well enough, whats wrong with that?

[HeyWayne]

No, sweetheart - you've been deliberately evading the point I've been making all the way thru the thread.

You still haven't said how you'd feel as a co-worker of one of these 'sacked' high ups, if they were still your boss? They get the 'sack' because they've failed to do their job well enough, whats wrong with that?

Ok sweetcheeks

Let's take an example - person a works for a very large firm. They are constant changes at the top - each new CEO that comes in changes teh culture of the business, alters systems, fiddles with procedures. It's then discovered that 12-18 months down the line the shareholders are not happy. There are calls for person to be sacked. Someone else is employed in their place, culture, systems, procedures all change again (which affects every employee working for said organisation). The company is in a contant struggle to please all shareholders and stakeholders alike. There is no consistancy, targets are constantly shifted and nobdoy knows their @rse from their elbow.

Surely a better solution would be to target said person to fix the problems rather than letting them go and creating a whole other cycle of problems over and over and over.

Oh, and to answer your questionwhich I must admit I wasn't deliberately avoiding - I couldn't give a monkeys what someone else is doing as long as I'm doing my job. If I don't like the way things are - I'm off. I'd rather jump than be pushed quite frankly.

[piskieinboots]

I'll hold ya coats.....

popcorn anyone?
beer?
choc-ices?

[HeyWayne]

I'll hold ya coats.....

popcorn anyone?
beer?
choc-ices?

Deep down under that icey exterior she loves me dearly, she's just afraid to admit it.

[Nicos]

Tea please Piskie......

[piskieinboots]

Tea?
on a Friday?
at 1800hrs?


PS - who's winning, I've lost track ....

[Nicos]

My granny always had a pot of tea on the go when she watched the tag wrestling .........

[HeyWayne]

at 1800hrs?

PS - who's winning, I've lost track ....

1800hrs, you've been a round the ,ilitary too long!

I'm a lover not a fighter (smallblueplanet won ages ago, but sssh don't tell her, she'll get big headed)

[pigletwillie]

Are these the same people who, when keeping their high paid jobs when they should have been sacked, then make thousands redundant to cover the inherant costs of their fowl up

Banking comes to mind at the moment, a few dozen high paid greedy pigs have cost over 10000 people their jobs.

[HeyWayne]

Are these the same people who, when keeping their high paid jobs when they should have been sacked, then make thousands redundant to cover the inherant costs of their fowl up

Banking comes to mind at the moment, a few dozen high paid greedy pigs have cost over 10000 people their jobs.

LadyWayne works in teh banking industry - in the thick of it so to speak and she herself is getting a little tired of "the problem" being replaced with another problem rather than it being fixed.

Greedy pigs alone are not the reason thousands are being sacked.

[zazen999]

In my experience, the problem is usually a Board who ignore the obvious [such as investment in people and processes] in favour of share price. I've been towards the top of a large PLC and couldn't wait to get down again...watching Directors squirm when the sh1t hit the fan was interesting; and I'd rather the blame be with those that made the stupid decision not to train people, which usually sits at the top of the ladder.

After all, they get paid to take the hit when it goes wrong; they aren't any more intelligent than the rest of us; just more keen to take larger risks for higher short term gain.