Is it us, or does it just happen?

[jackie j]

I dont think any one is weird for not wanting children. Every one has a choice and if they choose not to thats fine. I have always wanted children from an early age, when I was very nieve I wanted four, two boys then two girls, I had four boys, divorced remarried and had a girl. All but the fourth was planned and very much wanted, and when I was expecting my fourth there was no way I would even consisder terminating him just because. I love him and did from the first time I saw him ( even before ). It is not every bodys cup of tea and no one should have them if they dont want them.

[BrideXIII]

Unfortunately, we spend millions on "treatment" for this. Why can't people accept their lot ?

why should they?

my point is yet again the arrogance of man, animals don't care, and this is bound to upset a few people, but it's just a point being made, animals don't help disabled young survive, we do!

the human race live fast and die young, as a species, we evolve faster than any other mammal, only insects out evolve us LOL

that's why i think we are a blip.

i don't have a problem with that myself, but it's human nature to have a problem with that ideal, we are the thinking animal, we can SEE our end coming and fight against it, animals don't, i wonder who of the two are the better off?

[Rhona]

Unfortunately, we spend millions on "treatment" for this. Why can't people accept their lot ?

I thought of a number of responses to this, all of which became uncharacteristically lengthy, so I didn't bother in the end.

I know bob all about the original subject compared to some of you so am happily reading the thread and learnin' myself.

[lynda66]

Population Growth Rate Country Comparison Table - Yahoo! Education
The UK's population growth rate is nowhere near the top, in fact it is lower than the US, Norway, France, Netherlands & other EU countries, China (who have those laws!)... In fact, our pop growth rate is so low that there might not be enough workforce to sustain the N.I. contributions which will pay our pensions.
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isn't that partly cos we are a much smaller country than all the others ??

and as far as kids goes, i was never gonna have any, accidents happen though ...... but i got sterilised straight after, wasn't doing that again, and much as i love him, i still don't want kids

[BrideXIII]

I think what people fail to grasp often is, when we are talking , recycling and getting back to nature etc, we don't really mean it, cos if we really got back to nature, we couldn't cope at all, and i dont mean not having the internet

ther is another thread on here about the tv prog survivors, and lots of people mentioned how come they are not growing their own etc etc, well they don't have to until rescources run out, in fact six months after an apocolypse nothing much has really changed, there is food still to be had in tins, fuel still findable, medicine etc.

back to nature means none of that, you can't un-evolve, at no point would a human being allow another to die just because it was injured, or deformed in some way, and yet we go on and on about saving trees?
not that that's a bad thing, but its gone way past that, yes we should save trees, and many as we can, to slow things down for US, but, its too late to turn the clock back, it was too late the minute man evolved from the ape, that was the game over moment.
best we can hope for is to enjoy the ride.

[Rocketron]

why should they?

my point is yet again the arrogance of man, animals don't care, and this is bound to upset a few people, but it's just a point being made, animals don't help disabled young survive, we do!

the human race live fast and die young, as a species, we evolve faster than any other mammal, only insects out evolve us LOL

that's why i think we are a blip.

i don't have a problem with that myself, but it's human nature to have a problem with that ideal, we are the thinking animal, we can SEE our end coming and fight against it, animals don't, i wonder who of the two are the better off?

But that's my point. If you can't have kids, accept it and move on. But no, "I've got a right to have kids" means we spend money that could be put to better use, on giving kids to those that genetically shouldn't have them. This to me is not improving the human species.

[BrideXIII]

But that's my point. If you can't have kids, accept it and move on. But no, "I've got a right to have kids" means we spend money that could be put to better use, on giving kids to those that genetically shouldn't have them. This to me is not improving the human species.

and i think personally you are right, even though i went through years of infertility treatment to have mine, the thing is that's how humans think!

we are either animals and accept all that comes with that, or we are more than animal and accept our fate? its all in the perception

we can't have it both ways.

[Rhona]

But that's my point. If you can't have kids, accept it and move on. But no, "I've got a right to have kids" means we spend money that could be put to better use, on giving kids to those that genetically shouldn't have them. This to me is not improving the human species.

To reply in equally broad brush strokes, since I would not be here were it not for a little medical intervention (not sure where you actually draw the line with those who "genetically shouldn't have them") I am hardly likely to agree.

Hmmm... methinks I'm done learnin' on this thread...

[Alison]

Whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of IVF etc I always think it's a real shame when people either put their life on hold for a considerable number of years in the desperate hope that one day they might have a child (and IVF is no picnic either!) and end up losing what they had originally or feel that they should have a child to conform.

[MrsC]

What you hear and what you see on the news, documentaries and other 'informative' programmes is nonsense.

As others have said on this thread, the warming of the earth is due to a natural process and it is.

I have only noticed one person on this forum mention this fact.
Mars' polar ice caps have receeded, the earth is warming up and it's all due to the sun...low and behold!!

Another post was to the effect that the governments want to tax us more which is totally correct, carbon taxes on households and businesses, there is even talk of a carbon tax where a household will be allocated a certain amount of carbon credits and when this limit is exceeded, you will be forced to purchase more credits from other households. Google carbon credits...

The taxes on buisnesses and households are not there to limit the carbon footprint of ourselves or others, it's there to raise funds for other schemes, not run by PM Gordon Brown, Bush or Barrack, it's money and will always be money.

With reagrds to a previous post regarding acid rain, don't you find it rather bizarre that this hasn't been mentioned on mainstream news media for at least 20 years, strange don't you think.

The emphasis has now went from acid rain to humans polluting the planet with c02 which plants & trees thrive on.

The fact is that as previously mentioned, Mars is heating up and Mars, as people think it to be, Isn't...and same goes with our good old moon (frozen lakes of ice)

Here's a link for you to all ponder, this is Mars, not the Aussie outback..

A forest on Mars

The threat of ourselves destroying the earth since the Ind revolution is a joke! I think that people need to wake up to the fact that it is fear mongering, forget the government and believing what they say is fact, it isn't, do the research and you will see that it's all a lie!!

People used to think the world was flat, any who said otherwise was slated, killed as heretics, going against the grain so to speak, We have the same situation today, nothing changes except the politicians and the s**t they talk.

People hear what they want to hear but it's not always fact, Governments aren't always right because they are Governments, Governments are elected to serve the people, not the other way around, funny how that has changed over the years, work it out!

[valmarg]

I'm with you mrs2cb. Global warming is a enormous con.

I accept climate change, but then the climate has always been changing. About 30 years ago we were heading for a mini ice-age. Where did that go?

The limestone of the Derbyshire peaks. At the time that was laid down it was a tropical coral atoll.

The coasts are eroding. At one time the UK was attached to Europe.

I think Greenpeace and Fiends of the Earth are the modern day equivalent of the mediaeval 'End of the World is Nigh' brigade.

valmarg

[BrideXIII]

^ nice^

with governments cashing in on the guilt trip we are getting laid on us

[Rocketron]

To reply in equally broad brush strokes, since I would not be here were it not for a little medical intervention (not sure where you actually draw the line with those who "genetically shouldn't have them") I am hardly likely to agree.

Hmmm... methinks I'm done learnin' on this thread...

I'm sorry if I have offended you, Rhona.
My point is really quite simple.
If Man A and Woman B cannot produce children, why should taxpayers' money be spent on trying to find ways to bring this about ?

[Rhona]

I'm sorry if I have offended you, Rhona.
My point is really quite simple.
If Man A and Woman B cannot produce children, why should taxpayers' money be spent on trying to find ways to bring this about ?

To be honest, I think you've made your viewpoint on this very clear already... and I'm not about to debate the complexities of the issue with you.

Others may wish to, but not me...

[Rocketron]

To be honest, I think you've made your viewpoint on this very clear already... and I'm not about to debate the complexities of the issue with you.

Others may wish to, but not me...

OK, Fair enough.