Does anyone support Brown ?

[kate&rob]

if you turn them around regularly then they dont have time to get out of the muck the other party has left either, it's a no win situation.
do you really think that the conservatives would do any better than labour? all s**t in the same pot.

[MrsC]

The senate has been overturned on many occasions by the powers that be, the federal reserve being one, totally illegal, you can check this out and you will find it to be true, amongst others that bush has passed himself after 9/11! No senate intervention at all...period.

Yes we vote for the party wether it's Blair, Cameron etc the bottom line is nothing changes which is why I (Mr Chambers) choose not to vote because it dosen't matter who you vote for, nothing changes whatsoever!

If we want to talk politics, who we vote for, who we don't vote for, the bottom line is that the EU can now disolve the British government tomorrow if they so wished, I would ask you to look at the web site 'EU truth.org' but it is down and has been down for a while, the next Gen election is due 2010 I think and in all reality it may not happen, fact, who do we vote for then, nobody because it won't happen and we won't be given the choice.

The British police force today act in powers given them by the EU, EU rules mixed in with British law, The British 'Government' has no say in what the EU says or does, no power at all, reasearch this, EU law...but we didn't vote for them did we?

[BrideXIII]

if you turn them around regularly then they dont have time to get out of the muck the other party has left either, it's a no win situation.
do you really think that the conservatives would do any better than labour? all s**t in the same pot.

no i don't, and nor would any other political party we have at present, but it is a misconception to think that politicians run the country, they don't, they vote on policy, they head departments that are there to implement that policy, but those departments are staffed and run by civil servants that do not 'belong' to the party in power, they do the same job regardless of who is in power. ( apart from some party specific positions).
it is the policy that creates the problems, but most parties , for all their rhetoric, have the same policies dressed in different language.

[BrideXIII]

The senate has been overturned on many occasions by the powers that be, the federal reserve being one, totally illegal, you can check this out and you will find it to be true, amongst others that bush has passed himself after 9/11! No senate intervention at all...period.

Yes we vote for the party wether it's Blair, Cameron etc the bottom line is nothing changes which is why I (Mr Chambers) choose not to vote because it dosen't matter who you vote for, nothing changes whatsoever!

If we want to talk politics, who we vote for, who we don't vote for, the bottom line is that the EU can now disolve the British government tomorrow if they so wished, I would ask you to look at the web site 'EU truth.org' but it is down and has been down for a while, the next Gen election is due 2010 I think and in all reality it may not happen, fact, who do we vote for then, nobody because it won't happen and we won't be given the choice.

The British police force today act in powers given them by the EU, EU rules mixed in with British law, The British 'Government' has no say in what the EU says or does, no power at all, reasearch this, EU law...but we didn't vote for them did we?

yep fraid we did, there was a referendum on it and we joined, we also vote for our EMP's, we do not vote for the laws, but then we don't vote for laws in the UK either, that's up to the politicians we VOTE in.

not using your vote is a valid vote, but it will only have an effect if everyone does it, maybe they should add 'none of the above' to the ballot paper, can you imagine the uproar when no party gets enough votes to legally be able to form a government?

[MrsC]

Totally agree with the no vote thing but somebody will always get in no matter what, I would like to ask if anybody knew that the EU would take over on Jan 1st 09? The original 'European Economic Community' deal was sold to us on trade, thats all, nothing about laws etc.

[Paulottie]

1. Yes, Gordon Brown was not elected as our countries PM, so is that not illegal by law?

2. Money is paper and debt is a number, money dosen't exist if you really look into the facts of modern history, money is an invention and so is debt.

3. The reason we are in debt (worldwide) is because of an organisation called the Federal Reserve which is illegal and has been illegal since 1913 (The bank of England has very close ties to them)

4. The only true worldwide, recognised currency is gold, can be sold, traded, invested and used to buy goods where the Pound or Dollar wouldn't in any country in the world.

5. Banks have been lending (illegally) to people for hundreds of years, why is it only now that we have this global credit crunch and we blame ourselves. Name a bank that would lend to a customer that had bad credit history (or no job), that's what they are telling us is the cause for this so-called crisis.

Why would a bank do this in the first place?? Lend money for a mortgage that had little hope of being paid back....I think not...but this is the reason given, banks selling on bad debt!

6. Nobody seen it coming??

7. Why does our un-elected Pm endorse a world-wide overhaul of the financial systems, a central bank controlling world currency (google this!)
Google 'One world currency'.

Why is it that each political party with their new radical plans for the country (Liberal, Cons, Lab) always fail, nothing changes, it's the same book with a different cover, they don't care, simple really when you look at the facts....NOTHING CHANGES!
It gets worse!

If you study the reasoning behind all of the above you will see that Bush, Obama, Brown and the rest are all singing the same song and it aint God bless America or land of hope & Glory.

I have tried not to be controversial or discuss cats or foxes etc of late but what the heck...bit of politics!!!

RE:
1. No, sadly legal but he doesn't really have a mandate. What really makes me puke is hearing how he's the man of the hour for this crisis as he was such a great chancellor
2. I didn't understand??
3. No Economist but needs explaining further.
4. I agree entirely...moving away from gold standard a farcical move and essential means they are printing money with nothing to back it up.
5. Banks traditionally lent to those with the means to repay. As that is their business They then got greedy and realised you get higher interest from those in trouble and repossessions.
6. Who couldn't! 'Seven thin cows came out the nile and gobbled up the fat cows'...but Mr. Brown has not been putting any thing aside....His solution 'lets borrow more'...The equivalent of gettting ten credit cards and maxing them out cos you can't pay the morgage.
7. Will watch this...but it seems a volte-face Now the pound is falling like a stone...Why didn't we join the Euro? because then the successive political parties couldn't massage the figures to buy another term in Gov't. Now the proverbial has hit the fan he is clutching at straws. Same as essentially bankrupting the country: This is the flapping of a dying fish.

I agree they are all as bad as each other . It was Maggie who started dismantling our manufacturing base. We are now truly a nation of shopkeepers and service industries...nothing to sell = no money. The trouble is with the almost obscene unlimited productivity (mainly of poor quality disposable foreign goods) where we used to be producers; Now, our only function is as consumers. Products are disposable, have built in obsolescence and are worthless once you get them out the shop. Frankly it is time this gluttony came to an end. but what is really sad is plundering the worlds resources and hock our children's futures in and vain attempt to sustain the whole merry go round.

I don't know what they are singing...'The Lunatics have Taken Over the Assylum?'

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[MrsC]

2. Money is paper and debt is a number, money dosen't exist if you really look into the facts of modern history, money is an invention and so is debt.

The Federal reserve was put in place on the Christmas of 1913, prior to this, there was no debt whatsoever (Google freedom to facism by Aaron Russo)

The federal reserve was a licence to print money, the tax laws in America to this day say that the American public do not need to pay tax on their income, there is no law stating that they they should pay this income tax, income tax is illegal and there is no law that legislates for it, Supreme court judges have voted in favour of non-tax payers on this issue.

Fort Knox has America's gold deposits tucked away which is the true currency of any country no matter where you go.

Money is worthless, look at the dollar bill, look at the pyramid on the reverse and look up what the writing means underneath.

[Paulottie]

I Agree that they should have a 'None, of the Above' box Bride, as a spoilt vote is still a vote; not voting is unregistered, apathetic and ultimately futile. Although, really I agree that there is only a fiction of debate, just a thin veneer of 'democracy'

No what we need is revolution!...And the first against the wall will be...I think I'll stop it is probably illegal to even suggest a demonstration these days.

[Paulottie]

I Agree that they should have a 'None, of the Above' box Bride, as a spoilt vote is still a vote; not voting is unregistered, apathetic and ultimately futile. Although, really I agree that there is only a fiction of debate, just a thin veneer of 'democracy'

No what we need is revolution!...And the first against the wall will be...I think I'll stop it is probably illegal to even suggest a demonstration these days.

[Hashette]

no i don't, and nor would any other political party we have at present, but it is a misconception to think that politicians run the country, they don't, they vote on policy, they head departments that are there to implement that policy, but those departments are staffed and run by civil servants that do not 'belong' to the party in power, they do the same job regardless of who is in power. ( apart from some party specific positions).
it is the policy that creates the problems, but most parties , for all their rhetoric, have the same policies dressed in different language.

Too true. And those same civil servants do their best to make sure that the politicians who make the policy get very sanitised feedback on what's actually happening as a result of those policies, and how effective or otherwise they are.

Yes Minister may have been a comedy, but it was also fairly firmly based on what actually goes on

[sarraceniac]

Just one small point some people seem to be overlooking or are not aware of:

The Prime Minister of this country is, under the unwritten constitution, not elected by the people. He or she is appointed by the crown. In practice the monarch would not appoint anybody who would not have a realistic chance of commanding a majority in parliament so that probably lets out me and mrc2b. If no one can get that majority an election is called.

We live in a 'representative democracy'. The monarch reigns and the government rules subject to the approval of parliament. About every 4 or 5 years the people get a say but that is it. I think a few people should learn about how the British system of government works. Works is the appropriate word. It isn't perfect but it's way ahead of whatever is in second place.

[sarraceniac]

At least some people seem to know how it works.

The Prime Minister is not elected by the people in the same way that a president is. He is the head of government NOT the head of state. That is the Monarch who appoints the Prime Minister based on who can command a majority in Parliament. If no one can then an election is called to ask the people. But not until. All this stupid shouting for an election by oppositions is posturing when the party in power commands a parliamentary majority.

We are a parliamentary democracy for better or worse. It isn't perfect but it's better than whatever is in second place. Go and learn something about the British constitution before putting up silly posts.

Sorry. My first post above did not show for about 3 minutes so I paraphrased it and re-posted.

[Two_Sheds]

We are now truly a nation of shopkeepers and service industries...nothing to sell = no money. The trouble is with the almost obscene unlimited productivity (mainly of poor quality disposable foreign goods) where we used to be producers; Now, our only function is as consumers. Products are disposable, have built in obsolescence and are worthless once you get them out the shop. Frankly it is time this gluttony came to an end. but what is really sad is plundering the worlds resources .

Hear hear.
I want to buy British, but it's really difficult nowadays. Anything not made in China is shockingly expensive, as is real wood furniture compared to Arg0s stuff.
I'm doing my little bit by buying British beer & apples, and shopping at local shops instead of hypermarkets, to try and keep them in business. I'm trying to buy less stuff, but better quality.
Mr S is the opposite ~ he buys junk, just for the sake of having something new ~ he is truly addicted to online shopping, and he doesn't care about recycling, or the environment, or the unemployed ... like the majority of UK citizens, I suspect

[bubblewrap]

Just one point I really object to people not voting.
It took many years of struggle to get every body the vote it took even longer for women to get the vote.
It wasn't until 1929 that every body got the vote at 21 votes at 18 1970.
A spoilt ballot is in effect "none of the above"
But not bothering to turn out is an insult to those who fought to get us the vote.
I have missed only ONE election since I was old enough(1970) to vote & that is all elections.
And if you don't vote you have no right to complain.

[Two_Sheds]

A spoilt ballot is in effect "none of the above"
But not bothering to turn out is an insult to those who fought to get us the vote...And if you don't vote you have no right to complain.

Yep, I second that. I always vote, even though it seems utterly pointless (everyone can get a postal vote now, right? So there's no excuse for not bothering)

You can draw your own tick box at the bottom and write "none of the above"