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    There is a road called Old Maids Walk in my local town Ross on Wye and I always thought it was a nice name, today I found out how it got its name:

    Where does "Old Maids Walk" come from?
    During the 17th century, Mr. Markey, a wealthy man obsessed by his garden, owned Alton Court. It is said that an early frost killed his favourite plants and he blamed and fired his gardener. He then had to take on a replacement, a young, handsome man called Ralph Mortimer and, although Ralph was poor, he was reputedly descended from the Mortimers of Wigmore, Leominster.
    Ralph was an excellent gardener and the gardens flourished in his care. In parallel, he had secretly fallen in love with Mr. Markey's beautiful second daughter, Clara. Because of the class barrier, their relationship was never going to get the Markey's family approval and, to add to the problems, Mr. Markey arranged for Clara to marry a young man from the Rudhall family, another local high class family of land owners.
    Clara was wept at the news and Ralph was distraught. This resulted in his suicide and his body was found in the Wye. This resulted in Ralph's body being taken to the junction between Alton Street and Copse Cross Street (called Corpse Cross Street) after Sunset and a stake driven through his heart, "to ensure he would not walk and bite people in their beds". His body was then dropped into a hastily-dug hole without a Priest present (which is one derivation of the name Copse Cross Street). The act of interring suicides here continued until 1923 when a law was passed to prevent the act.
    A few days later she walked down the isle to marry Mr. Rudhall but she collapsed into a trance before the service completed. She was taken home but vanished a short while later and was found at the Alton Road crossroads looking for Ralph's unhallowed grave. At every opportunity she would return to the crossroads and pace up and down the lane to Copse Cross Street. Being as no-one seemed to be able to prevent her doing this, he lonely vigil continued for for decades until she died which ended the forever the Old Maid's Walk.
    Source: The Hereford Times 14/8/1986

    I never knew that what was done to suicides

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    Suicide was against the law in England till 1969. If you attempted it you could be fined and imprisioned.
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    • #3
      I knew it was against the law but I didnt know off the pratice off putting a stake through the heart and burying at a cross roads and that it was changed as late as 1923. Apparently this was done so that A) the body couldn't walk and B)If it did somehow manage to walk it wouldn't know where to go (sounds like whats been done to our present goverment ).

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      • #4
        The Church of England can still deny Suicides burial in their grave yards.
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        • #5
          Correct me if I'm wrong,but don't some churches still refusea "christian" funeral to suicide victims?

          On the theme of road names...there's a hill in my old village called Draggars Hill...was apparently named after a rapist was dragged down it & taken to a little forest clearing to meet the stocks & his death!..it used to really give me the creeps walking up there on my own!
          the fates lead him who will;him who won't they drag.

          Happiness is not having what you want,but wanting what you have.xx

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          • #6
            Its quite amazing how places seem to take on an atmosphere subject to events there. The most evil place on earth for atmosphere? Has to be Auschwitz (cant pronounce the Polish name). Even now you can smell the death!

            Zebedee
            "Raised to a state of heavenly lunacy where I just can't be touched!"

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            • #7
              How sad. I have a friend contemplating suicide right now and should she go ahead and succeed, it would be criminal to deny her a place in the church that she has visited from early childhood.

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              • #8
                I know the church does have the right to deny a christian burial, but do they actually do so? I would find it a touch strange if that were the case, although I am not at all a religious person.

                I love the history of old place names, and they are quite often ghoulish, and sometimes sad. What we cant do, however, is apply todays sentiments to yesterdays standards.
                We are more enlightened today then ever our forefathers were, and what was deemed to be acceptable practise then, often isnt today. The deeds done in yesteryear were done to the standards of the day.
                Bob Leponge
                Life's disappointments are so much harder to take if you don't know any swear words.

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                • #9
                  If the relatives could prove the suicide was due to insanity then they were allowed to be buried in a church, relatives had an incentive to prove insanity as a suicide's property and assets could be seized.
                  Quite agree re acceptable practice etc but the law banning the practice of stake through the heart/buried at crossroads was only brought in 1923.

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                  • #10
                    I've never heard about the stake/crossroads bit either although I did know they weren't supposed to be buried on hallowed ground, strange story isn't it!
                    Into every life a little rain must fall.

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                    • #11
                      Here's a little bit of info on them....sad isn't it?

                      British Archaeology, no 25, June 1997: Features

                      This one's more interesting......

                      http://www.sourcetext.com/lawlibrary/guernsey/03.htm
                      Last edited by Nicos; 08-05-2009, 02:53 PM.
                      "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                      Location....Normandy France

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                      • #12
                        There are still loads of strange laws in the UK that are valid, still waiting change. I vaguely remember there is a law that allows a Welshman to be shot with a bow and arrow in Hereford on a Sunday if he is walking through the market with a sheep (or some derivation of that anyway. Anyone actually know what it is?)
                        I wonder when the last time anyone was actually done through the heart with a stake, even though the law was only changed in 1923.
                        Great story, and an insight into how times have changed.
                        Bob Leponge
                        Life's disappointments are so much harder to take if you don't know any swear words.

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                        • #13
                          some quotes....


                          "Apparently some old laws exist that were never taken off the statute
                          books. Most of these are quite silly but a few serious ones apparently
                          still exist. One example is that "you can shoot a Welsh person with a
                          bow and arrow inside the city walls and after midnight in Chester."

                          In York, excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow.

                          Placing a postage stamp that bears the Queen (or King) upside down is considered treason.

                          It is illegal for a Member of Parliament to enter the House of Commons wearing a full suit of armour.

                          Any boy under the age of 10 may not see a naked mannequin.

                          It is illegal for a lady to eat chocolates on a public conveyance.

                          With the exception of carrots, most goods may not be sold on Sunday.

                          In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless in public except as a clerk in a tropical fish store.

                          In London, it is illegal to flag down a taxi if you have the plague.


                          and here are some worldwide funnies....

                          The world's strangest laws - Times Online
                          "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                          Location....Normandy France

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bobleponge View Post
                            There are still loads of strange laws in the UK that are valid, still waiting change. I vaguely remember there is a law that allows a Welshman to be shot with a bow and arrow in Hereford on a Sunday if he is walking through the market with a sheep (or some derivation of that anyway. Anyone actually know what it is?)
                            I wonder when the last time anyone was actually done through the heart with a stake, even though the law was only changed in 1923.
                            Great story, and an insight into how times have changed.
                            Under an old law it is perfectly legal to shoot a welshman on a sunday in hereford, provided its with a longbow and within cathedral close. I reckon welshman in this case is regardless of gender, but OH (true Red Welsh lass) argues the point, nitpicking say I and get yourself over to Hereford (we only live 16 miles away) , anyone got a longbow

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SlugLobber View Post
                              How sad. I have a friend contemplating suicide right now and should she go ahead and succeed, it would be criminal to deny her a place in the church that she has visited from early childhood.
                              Depends if she was religious or not.

                              If she doesn’t regularly go to church and believe in God why does she want to be buried in a Church yard.

                              If she does believe in god then it is a sin to kill...."Thou Shalt not Kill" (even yourself) then she has no right to be buried with those with clean souls.

                              That is how the Church would see it.
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