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  • #61
    In a previous life I was responsible for giving local-authority funding to a large number of environmental groups (broadly interpreted) across London. The only reason I got that bit of the work was because I belonged to Friends of the Earth and I'd always been a gardener of some sort, no matter where I lived.

    But when I really got into the environmental groups I realised that for a heathen - seen to much pain of every kind, misery, death and destruction to have any sort of accepted faith - there had to be different way of seeing the world. So, I got into the more animist, vaguely wiccan, druidic stuff, looked at the earth as a whole, vaguely alternative lifestyles.

    Life moved on, changed jobs and had other priorities (mortgage/kids etc) but managed to stay with my beliefs.

    Since the early 1980s I've been struggling with some pretty serious health problems as a result of which I've had to undergo some pretty drastic and intensive treatments. Currently on another course which makes life grim some days.

    But, one of the reasons I moved here was to actually reflect on my beliefs and try to come to terms with or understand them and also put some of them about being almost self sustaining food wise, that sort of thing into practice.

    I 'own' two areas of woodland, one that will eventually be thinned and used to extend the potager but the other is just magical - hardly ever touched, wonderfully wild, top of a hill and I can sit up there with a book, bottle of wine and some water in the spring, summer and autumn and just be taken away somewhere. And the use of woodland here cannot be changed, cannot be used for building, cannot be nicked for development - woods is woods!

    Every morning I open the shutters at the front of the house and no matter what the weather - and it does get bloody cold down here and it's very wet in what still is a very short winter - I look out across the valley to the village and just wonder at the wonder of it all.

    I'm a great believer in Gaia, the earth healing itself. To me, we come and we go, we live and we die. One day somebody else may share my wonder in my woods or my garden, will look around and see what I see - or they may not.

    I'm fortunate in that, on balance, life has been good to me and I can indulge my life style. I can live the life style that I want to live, that I've really always wanted but for which earning a living has taken first place. Materially I'm ok, no kids to worry about now, probably well set up for life so can really do my own thing.

    My beliefs haven't changed, still believe in the 'new age/alternative stuff', in some ways they have just been confirmed and being here just reinforces them even more.

    If there is a God, she had it just about right when she invented fruit and vegatables and gave people the sense to grow them and use them and then talk about them to other gardeners.
    TonyF, Dordogne 24220

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    • #62
      Originally posted by TonyF View Post
      If there is a God, she had it just about right when she invented fruit and vegatables and gave people the sense to grow them and use them and then talk about them to other gardeners.
      Tony

      Many thanks for this contribution. I'm new to the Vine so it is fascinating to hear some of your story after seeing your sparring (is that the right phrase) with LJ on a Sunday night.

      I love the idea of sitting in the woodland. I think humans belong in the trees - it is certainly my idea of bliss.
      The law will hang the man or woman
      Who steals the goose from off the common
      But lets the greater thief go loose
      Who steals the common from the goose
      http://johntygreentoes.blogspot.com/

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      • #63
        Originally posted by johnty greentoes View Post
        1500 words, fully referenced (Harvard), on my desk by Friday, returned to you Monday and woebetide........
        Sorry sir the dog ate mine so it's being re-cycled as we speak

        I agree with the seed sowing also I find great difficulty stopping taking cuttings !! I usually grow about 40 od late flowering chrysanths but if I'm not carefull I take about 140!!

        I should have had a job as a propagator I think
        ntg
        Never be afraid to try something new.
        Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark.
        A large group of professionals built the Titanic
        ==================================================

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        • #64
          Originally posted by nick the grief View Post
          ....
          I should have had a job as a propagator I think
          Are we talking flowers here, or what?
          To see a world in a grain of sand
          And a heaven in a wild flower

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          • #65
            Does that mean you'd have to fit on a windowsill NTG? cos judging by your profile pic I don't think that's going to happen. Or will you be one of those fancy adjustable ones?

            Last edited by Earthbabe; 06-03-2007, 08:18 PM.
            Bright Blessings
            Earthbabe

            If at first you don't succeed, open a bottle of wine.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by smallblueplanet View Post
              Are we talking flowers here, or what?
              Definately or what

              Originally posted by Earthbabe View Post
              Does that mean you'd have to fit on a windowsill NTG? cos judging by your profile pic I don't think that's going to happen. Or will you be one of those fancy adjustable ones?
              I'ne always thought of myself as a fancy adjustable one
              ntg
              Never be afraid to try something new.
              Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark.
              A large group of professionals built the Titanic
              ==================================================

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              • #67
                I never would have described myself as 'new age' or 'hippy type' but my kids (grown up Essex lads and ladettes one & all) tell me I'm getting 'geeky' in my old age
                Having grown up in the concrete jungle of the inner city, and doing the work I do (still in the inner city) I too cannot find solace in any organised religion, but I see spiritual connection as something parallel which has more meaning for me.

                Since meeting my OH, a country boy through & through, brought up on a dairy farm, and moving to a more rural area I have found a new way of life that I just can't be without anymore. Everyday that I'm in the city I pine for the countryside, during the long commute all I think about is the open spaces and being part of nature - have you ever noticed how many people never look at the sky or ever look at the countryside they are commuting through?

                When I got my first garden I was overcome by the sheer joy of seeing things growing, when I found I could help that I was overwhelmed. Having seen some of the things I have, having studied people the way I have for my work ( which means as much to me) I believe that we have it inside us to cure all manner of ills both mental and physical. I am intrigued by the link between nutrition and health, especially mental health, and this is a fast up and comming are of research. So, for me, I want to grow my own because I want to be aware of what I put into my body and what effect it has on me and mine, I love the changing wonder of nature and wildlife, and I find a peace that I can get nowhere else by being close to the earth. - I guess that makes me spiritual (or geeky);p

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                • #68
                  I consider myself a 'spiritual' being, in that I have always been aware of that third essence of humanity - mind, body, spirit. I was brought up in the Christian tradition but travelled along a different path as I grew older.

                  I believe that all paths have value in teaching the Golden Rule which I try to live by: Do unto others as you would be done by.
                  That includes the planet so I try to tread lightly on the earth and leave it as I would wish to find it (easier to aspire to to than achieve sometimes).

                  Gardening - the miracle of growth, increased beauty and fruitfulness are all part of the blessings of the earth and generate a thankfulness which is itself valuable. It incorporates the magic of science which explains that we truly are stardust and part of the cycle of infinity, which in turn provides consolation and an explanation for existence. I still believe that everything happens for a reason and humbly accept that I may never know my own reason for being here, but have faith that simply by moving in the world I am some use.

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                  • #69
                    Well said Jane!!

                    Also Tony F, loved your descriptions and would love to be able to do as you have at some time in the future!
                    Blessings
                    Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

                    'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

                    The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
                    Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
                    Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
                    On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by madderbat View Post
                      Gardening - the miracle of growth, increased beauty and fruitfulness are all part of the blessings of the earth and generate a thankfulness which is itself valuable. It incorporates the magic of science which explains that we truly are stardust and part of the cycle of infinity, which in turn provides consolation and an explanation for existence. I still believe that everything happens for a reason and humbly accept that I may never know my own reason for being here, but have faith that simply by moving in the world I am some use.
                      Beautifully expressed - thank you.
                      The law will hang the man or woman
                      Who steals the goose from off the common
                      But lets the greater thief go loose
                      Who steals the common from the goose
                      http://johntygreentoes.blogspot.com/

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                      • #71
                        Woke up this morning thinking about this thread - in my life now I research and write about conventional religion, it was my doctoral subject way way back and I still do a good deal of work on it between gardening.

                        I was thinking about quotes relating to gardening and some of the messages on here.

                        One that has stuck with me over the past few years came from Kim Wilde, her what used to be a pop singer - There's God, Gardening and Tom Waits - which depending on your definition of God is pretty cool, especially if, like her and me you're into Tom Waits.

                        Then I got to thinking about the garden and what's in it - sort of theory of guiding intelligence which is a common theme in the God stuff.

                        God has to be a woman, the God of the Earth has to be a woman. Leaving aside all the science stuff (don't do science except Ph levels) ever thought about two small garden things, the heart's ease wild pansy and the alpine/wild strawberry.

                        In the early spring I never cease to wonder at the beauty of a heart's ease, so delicate, wonderfully coloured and gentle.

                        And in the summer, my strawberry beds are just swarming with alpine berries which are there because I just love them. We all know the joys of picking your own veggies and fruit and taking them in to eat them. But the whole delicacy of the alpine strawberry, its size and shape, its wonderful sweet musky smell on a warm summer morning when you pick them to have with breakfast is something just so special.

                        If there is a garden god only a woman could have designed, flavoured and let us have the hearts-ease and alpine strawberry, a male god would never have got his head round things like those on day one.
                        TonyF, Dordogne 24220

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                        • #72
                          tony, do you have any photographs of your pottager?

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                          • #73
                            Tony

                            I've got to get to work right now - but will try to respond to what you've written here later this evening. Lots of ideas here that interest/intrigue.

                            Amazing how so many people have described a journey from conventional to unconventional.

                            Not so sure about God being gender specific - will get back to you!!!
                            The law will hang the man or woman
                            Who steals the goose from off the common
                            But lets the greater thief go loose
                            Who steals the common from the goose
                            http://johntygreentoes.blogspot.com/

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                            • #74
                              Old joke When God created "Man" "She" was only joking.

                              The river Trent is lovely, I know because I have walked on it for 18 years.
                              Brian Clough

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                              • #75
                                I was always advised not to discuss politics and religion in any depth for fear of offending people.....
                                However, last week I got into quite an in depth conversation with a vicar who was gently pushing for my views and eventually she said I was a 'humanist'.
                                Needless to say, that was news to me and I had to google it!
                                Think she's right you know!

                                http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/...sp?chapter=309

                                There are more of us around than I'd realised (36%)

                                perhaps if I had chatted to a few more people earlier, I might have found this out!
                                "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                                Location....Normandy France

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