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  • well- you will no doubt be happy when those people are sat on thier backsides, on the roadside, homeless, and then you can pay to keep thier children in care? there will always be a problem with some peole slacking, but i am sure it is the minority. unless wages are paid at a livable wage, and cheap housing is provided, this problem will go on and on and on.

    as someone else has said. lawlessness will be the result; people will not sit on thier backsides ( your words i think) and let thier kids starve, and if there are no jobs, they will do what they have to do to survive.

    also, when they move people out of high rent areas, they might be moving them to yours- thus ensuring local resentment, and even less jobs to go around. and you won't be happy about that either!

    in the program i saw last night, the experts were saying that the only way to handle the current situation is to stop taxing anyone but the very rich, to definately not print any more money ( mr. cam. has already said he is not ruling out doing just that!) as it stands now, poor people are taxed beyond belief- not just thier wages, but everything which we buy as consumers, so that the actaul rate we are taxed is about 80% . this is the reason that the poor are trapped, and until this taxation comes down, the economy can't recover.

    by stopping taxes, and therefore kickstarting the economy, the government's then rake in more income than they lose from stopping the heavy taxation. and if the manufacturing industry could be brought back to life, we would be a long way to solving the problem.

    the money spent on welfare reform is more than the welfare bill as it is at the moment; if that money was used to supply cheap housing, that people could afford to live without benefits; therefore it would be more desirable for them to work. the money generated from the cheap rents, from housing supplied from the government, could then be used to prop up manufacturing and industry.

    the other thing that was mentioned was that we have too much public sector and politicians.
    Last edited by lindyloo; 12-11-2010, 04:35 PM.

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    • lindy
      I agree with you about the tax but new labour for the last thirteen years just kept bumping the tax burden up why did they do nothing for the poor except keep them poor
      Last edited by SarzWix; 12-11-2010, 05:20 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Pies View Post
        There are 467,000 job vacancies,why?Surely there are enough unemployed people to fill each and every job so there should be zero jobs available
        Because when you have a vacancy you have to open it up, advertise, look at applicants, interview and then appoint. You don't have people walking into the job the day after someone leaves.

        Think of it as '467,000 jobs open at the moment, being recruited for'.

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        • paul- i think we just have to look beyond the past, because none of the policies have worked! that is what the program said last night.

          i agree that the taxes just went up with labour, but there were a lot of jobs created, and affordable housing too (not nearly enough) but unfortuneately a lot of foriegn labour came in; some of that no doubt due to us joining the eu and throwing open the doors! was that a tory coup? and also a lot of firms advertised for foreign labour i think ( mainly i.t. jobs i think).

          so, you see , i don't think they got it right either, just much less wrong than what is happenning now.

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          • lindy
            The most jobs created under new labour were non jobs diversity officer, pc this and that, they made lots of jobs and money for the firms that took part in the PFI schemes which the tax payer will be paying for for the next twenty five years, but government never create real jobs unless Cameron can sell some of the guardianista jobs to china then we can export container loads of council staff over there.
            Last edited by zazen999; 12-11-2010, 06:47 PM.

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            • * Shakes head sadly.
              * Muses - I wonder what a non-job is, compared to a real one?
              * looks in mirror - wonder what I have been grafting at all these years!?
              Last edited by FionaH; 12-11-2010, 06:08 PM. Reason: Lets not get personal eh?
              Whooops - now what are the dogs getting up to?

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              • Originally posted by Jeanied View Post
                * Shakes head sadly.
                * Muses - I wonder what a non-job is, compared to a real one?
                * looks in mirror - wonder what I have been grafting at all these years!?
                The jobs the Tories are intending to give the unfortunate people who are are on the dole are non jobs............i.e. you don't get paid anywhere near the minimum lawful wage in this country for them!(You only get paid £1 per hour for them which is really slave labour!)
                My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                Diversify & prosper


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                • Originally posted by PAULW View Post
                  lindy
                  The most jobs created under new labour were non jobs diversity officer, pc this and that, they made lots of jobs and money for the firms that took part in the PFI schemes which the tax payer will be paying for for the next twenty five years, but government never create real jobs unless Cameron can sell some of the guardianista jobs to china then we can export container loads of council staff over there.
                  Good grief. Export container loads of council staff over there?

                  Who is this 'we' of which you talk?

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                  • On Guam there is a dive site called the junkyard, after the war instead of selling all the army surplus trucks, bulldozers, jeeps and other stuff off cheap they dumped it in the sea, this was to kick start industry and get people back to work, there are dozens of councils all around the country cutting staff so these staff could be put in containers and exported to china where the have yet to discover the delights of H&S ans PC. This would also create vacancies for future staff and trainers, dont want the present exstaff applying for any fresh jobs
                    Last edited by PAULW; 12-11-2010, 07:10 PM.

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                    • PaulW - I understood what you were getting at; the question was 'who is this 'we' of which you speak.

                      Because you aren't speaking for the great British public; so don't use the terminology 'we' without defining who 'we' stands for.

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                      • Originally posted by Snadger View Post
                        The jobs the Tories are intending to give the unfortunate people who are are on the dole are non jobs............i.e. you don't get paid anywhere near the minimum lawful wage in this country for them!(You only get paid £1 per hour for them which is really slave labour!)
                        Alot currently get "paid" for doing nothing and some plan to exist there entire life doing nothing.I've nothing against helping people retrain etc to find a job,but im against shelling out tax payers money to those who have no intention of working ever

                        This proposal wont actually work in the long term as those that chose never to work will still have to get some benefit,crime would otherwise increase.Hopefully in the short term it will as it does in the USA where soon after it implementation unemployment claiments went down

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                        • Originally posted by Pies View Post
                          Alot currently get "paid" for doing nothing and some plan to exist there entire life doing nothing.I've nothing against helping people retrain etc to find a job,but im against shelling out tax payers money to those who have no intention of working ever

                          This proposal wont actually work in the long term as those that chose never to work will still have to get some benefit,crime would otherwise increase.Hopefully in the short term it will as it does in the USA where soon after it implementation unemployment claiments went down
                          I was always led to believe slavery was abolished in the early 1800's?

                          Or do we reinstate the 'sweatshops' to relieve the unemployment problem?
                          We might as well bring back the birch while we're at it!
                          My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                          to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                          Diversify & prosper


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                          • Originally posted by Pies View Post
                            This proposal wont actually work in the long term...Hopefully in the short term it will as it does in the USA where soon after it implementation unemployment claiments went down
                            Yes, people were taken off welfare. There are now over 40 million Americans on food stamps. That's all they get to exist on.
                            All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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                            • Originally posted by Snadger View Post
                              I was always led to believe slavery was abolished in the early 1800's?

                              Or do we reinstate the 'sweatshops' to relieve the unemployment problem?
                              We might as well bring back the birch while we're at it!
                              Back to the good old days!
                              Workhouse
                              Workhouse Children
                              'Living the poor life': poverty and the workhouse in the 19th century | The National Archives
                              The river Trent is lovely, I know because I have walked on it for 18 years.
                              Brian Clough

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                              • Originally posted by Cosmo and Dibs View Post
                                One major thing which annoys me is when a high-earner says 'I work hard for my salary' (etc). Does this mean that someone working in B&Q for £12,000 a year does not work hard?

                                Minumum wage, maximum effort.
                                No one is suggesting that, however I suggest that that the high earner may well have degree, other proffesional qualifications and would have started much lower down the pecking order. Their effort is being rewarded. Alas not everybody will have degrees or the ability to run multi national companies and will earn less. Unfortunately thats called life and is not the fault of the current government.

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