Halal meat ?

[Hilary B]

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I watched a documentry, where a cow was put in a machine, then turned upside down and then the throat slit - the poor animal was so distressed. Disgusting really.

I think that would be Kosher, the Jewish version, Halal rules state that the animal must not be restrained (or so I have been told)!

[Hilary B]

Our butchers isn't that much more expensive than the supermarket for things like sausages, mince, stewing steak etc., but all the meat is reared a couple of miles away on the butcher's FiL's farm. Suits us down to the ground, especially now they've started selling free-range chicken too
I do occassionally buy Halal mutton in the supermarket though because I just can't get it any other way round here

We have a farm shop, not as close as I would like but within 'occasional visit' range, which often has mutton, or goat, both of which I much prefer to lamb. Unfortunately we never know what they have in stock until we get there.....

[Glutton4...]

We have a farm shop, not as close as I would like but within 'occasional visit' range, which often has mutton, or goat, both of which I much prefer to lamb. Unfortunately we never know what they have in stock until we get there.....

I like Goat too!

Have to ask, do they not have a phone?

[pjh75]

As someone who has worked in a slaughterhouse I can tell you stunning an animal does just that stun it, it does not kill the animal death is caused by bleeding it, the heart needs to be still beating to pump the blood out of the animal, when it runs out of blood it dies.

I never said that stunning does kill the animal. I think the point they were making (and I don't claim to be an expert having no experience of this sort of thing) is that if the animal is stunned first it is unconcious when it is killed, whereas if you just slit the throat they feel it and bleed to death slowly, particularly larger animals.

[Two_Sheds]

In Arabic, the word halal means permitted or lawful.

Halal foods are foods that are allowed under Islamic dietary guidelines. According to ... the Qu'ran, Muslim followers cannot consume the following:

- pork
- animals that were dead prior to slaughtering (ie died from disease or old age, or roadkill)
- animals not slaughtered in the name of Allah (Allah is God. ie the animal must be blessed before being killed)
- blood (this is why the animal is drained of blood)


I don't eat meat, I haven't for 22 years (apart from the time someone thought it would be funny to swap the labels on the pub curries we had).

I'm not a Muslim and I don't know any Muslims (it is Norfolk).

If I did eat meat, I think I would like to have the animal blessed, and God thanked, before I ate it. I would like its death to be taken seriously, personally, and for it to be killed quickly. (Anyone who was unfortunate enough to see the Iraq beheadings will know that a very sharp knife across the throat is a very swift death)
The animal dies quickly, then the blood is drained out

I've seen slaughterhouse videos where the machinery doesn't always do the job properly: animals are not stunned, not properly stunned, struggling, the blade doesn't cut where it should so the animal is still alive but horribly wounded...

I believe that people should have the choice to eat halal meat or not, but they should inform themselves what it actually means, rather than make something up for themselves or read about it on Facebook

[FionaH]

SECONDED! Yes, loudly! Why buy sub-standard supermarket meat in the first place?

Because round here it is cheaper! "Real" butchers round here are extremely expensive, designer places. Think boutique butchery

I have two teenage boys to feed, one of whom is trying for strongman competitions. He eats a lot of meat! I did try telling him he can get protein from beans, but it would be a flaming bean mountain the amount he eats. I do sneak em in though

[weekendwellies]

I'm not sure what you mean about facebook 2S, I haven't seen anything on there myself.

But I would just like the food to be labeled so we consumers can choose to buy or not as the case may be. And my daughter doesn't want to eat meat that has been killed in the halal way, but she doesn't want to stop eating meat. She has researched it (she did want to be a vet until last year, so she found out all sorts of information on animals from birth to death), and she knows all about it and that is her choice.

[Two_Sheds]

I'm not sure what you mean about facebook 2S, I haven't seen anything on there myself.

When I googled "what is halal" I got this: Public 'being misled' over halal meat - What about our rights? | Facebook

[womble]

When I googled "what is halal" I got this: Public 'being misled' over halal meat - What about our rights? | Facebook

Oh Dear, what does their poster have on it? Winston Churchill, WW2 airman, Soldier in recent theatre, the Union Jack.
All to do with Halal and Kosher meat? I sense an undercurrent.

[Hilary B]

In Arabic, the word halal means permitted or lawful.

Halal foods are foods that are allowed under Islamic dietary guidelines. According to ... the Qu'ran, Muslim followers cannot consume the following:

- pork
- animals that were dead prior to slaughtering (ie died from disease or old age, or roadkill)
- animals not slaughtered in the name of Allah (Allah is God. ie the animal must be blessed before being killed)
- blood (this is why the animal is drained of blood)


I don't eat meat, I haven't for 22 years (apart from the time someone thought it would be funny to swap the labels on the pub curries we had).

I'm not a Muslim and I don't know any Muslims (it is Norfolk).

If I did eat meat, I think I would like to have the animal blessed, and God thanked, before I ate it. I would like its death to be taken seriously, personally, and for it to be killed quickly. (Anyone who was unfortunate enough to see the Iraq beheadings will know that a very sharp knife across the throat is a very swift death)
The animal dies quickly, then the blood is drained out

I've seen slaughterhouse videos where the machinery doesn't always do the job properly: animals are not stunned, not properly stunned, struggling, the blade doesn't cut where it should so the animal is still alive but horribly wounded...

I believe that people should have the choice to eat halal meat or not, but they should inform themselves what it actually means, rather than make something up for themselves or read about it on Facebook

Well said!
The question of whether an animal remains 'conscious' for more than seconds after its throat has been cut sufficiently for fast bleeding will always be debatable, but I for one think that whether it has suffered before the knife arrives is MUCH more important!

[Hilary B]

When I googled "what is halal" I got this: Public 'being misled' over halal meat - What about our rights? | Facebook

Oh Dear, what does their poster have on it? Winston Churchill, WW2 airman, Soldier in recent theatre, the Union Jack.
All to do with Halal and Kosher meat? I sense an undercurrent.

Exactly. A lot of those who are truly concerned about the animal welfare issues are being led by the nose by people who have other agendas (and who are abusing the images they use to present other parts of their message).
Take a look at how animals are treated in a 'normal' slaughterhouse, while awaiting the fatal moment!

[lindypop]

gosh- i have been itching to post on this thread, but couldn't access the forum. twosheds has said exactly what i would have said if i had been able to.

the important thing is how the animal has been treated in life, and during the killing process. i have no problem with a muslim prayer being said, my concern is with the speed and method of dispatch. i have seen articles of animals skinned whilst still alive, due to the speed of the 'production' line. this was in a british abbatoir, not a halal one.

i am afraid that as with any other business, a slaughterhouse is only as humane as it's staff. ( and i know there are some that are good, just as there are others which aren't) anyone who wants to view an animal going to slaughter- there is a video on youtube showing the staff urging on a horse in it's last gallop- proir to being shot.imo, they woyuld be more likable if they were praying, in any religion, therefore at least showing some respect, rather than laughing at the horses panic and distress.

lindypop- formerly lindyloo