Get Our Lads and Lass Home Now

[beefy]

I may be out of line here and if I am I apologise but when is this government going to stand up and be counted along with the soilders, airmen and sailors that are serving all over the world .At the very least they should expect that if they get captured that we go looking for then no holds barred .If you take our people you have to know that we are coming for them and we wont stop till we get them.

[TPeers]

I'll be out of line with you Beefy, I agree - why are we still talking, special ops should have gone in and retreved our people. As for fighting everyones wars for them.....

..... sounds like another Sunday evening theme to me!

[kirsty b]

I agree with you beefy, so apologies if I'm out of line too. I have had various family members serving in the forces, my sister is currently in the Navy and has been since she was 16. I remember how it was when her ship was diverted to assist with evacuation of Brits from Lebanon and how worried I was then. My heart goes out to the families of the current hostages.
I have no faith in our current Government's abilities or even intentions when it comes to the welfare of our armed forces. (or many other things for that matter)
We need a leader who has the courage to defend them no matter what, and I don't feel we have.

[rustylady]

Maybe not a gardening item, but 100% in agreement with you Beefy. My Dad and Grandad were in the forces and what kept them going in rough times was the certainty that someone was watching out for them. Doesn't seem to be the case these days!

[beefy]

I just feel its a bit much to expect the forces to lay their lives on the line and when something like this happens the govt tries to negociate and sweet talk a way out of it .They should expect the best of everything - kit. weapons etc AND know that when or if it goes pearshaped that the SAS or Marines etc will come looking for then .

[smallblueplanet]

So you want to send the SAS in and risk none of them coming out alive (Entebbe-stylee) whilst talking might still solve the situation?

[beefy]

So you want to send the SAS in and risk none of them coming out alive (Entebbe-stylee) whilst talking might still solve the situation?

What Im saying is if Iran etc knew that the SAS etc would definately come looking they might think twice before starting this kind of nonscence.
It seemed to work well enough in the Iranian embassy a few years ago. Maybe they need a reminder.

[Tyto Alba]

The Iranian embassy was in London though.

Going in with the SAS is urealistic, I doubt we even know where these prisoners are.

Call me cynical but I bet Bush and Blair are rubbing their hands with glee, they are dying for an excuse to bomb Iran over the nuclear (Isreali lobby) business.....and the Iranian actions simply unite Europe in disgust at Iranian amateurish propaganda in parading our people on TV with their 'confessions'.

Madness!

[bubblewrap]

So you want to send the SAS in and risk none of them coming out alive (Entebbe-stylee) whilst talking might still solve the situation?

I agree totaly it would not work .
What needs to be done is to sort out the dispute between Iraq & Iran over the "waterway" which has been going on for years.
Sending in special forces would only add to our troubles in the middle east and would result in many deaths of "our boys"and would solve nothing.
Talking is the only answer.

[johnty greentoes]

Beefy - are you seriously suggesting the SAS drop into the middle of downtown Tehran and shoot up a building in the middle of a nearly rogue state with an unstable government and internal warfare between state an military, and a developing nuclear capability about to be pointed at Israel, a state that they believe needs eradicating?

I don't think even Blair will buy your suggestion.

[bubblewrap]

Main problem they have the oil & we need it.
Sorry no oil & we would not get involved in Iraq/Iran or any where else in that area .
Anyway we have pleny of sand of our own.

[zebedee]

I'm sorry if I offend any one here, and offer my humblest apologies in advance, but why complain about what happens in the military? This country does not have conscription, therefore every one is a volunteer, who joins knowing what the risks and dangers are of being in an armed force!

[kirsty b]

I'm sorry if I offend any one here, and offer my humblest apologies in advance, but why complain about what happens in the military? This country does not have conscription, therefore every one is a volunteer, who joins knowing what the risks and dangers are of being in an armed force!

Excellent point. I once said to my sis that I was terrified of something happening to her and her answer was, "it's my job, I chose to do it and at least I'll go doing what I love". Don't stop you worrying sometimes though.

[zebedee]

I don't like guns, they hurt people! I don't like blood, lots of it smells disgusting (Yes, unfortunately I DO know what it's like!). I don't like violence. Fighting for peace is like shagging for virginity, to quote Ben Shaan. I go back to my theme of tolerance, kindness, and neighbourliness!

[smallblueplanet]

I'm sorry if I offend any one here, and offer my humblest apologies in advance, but why complain about what happens in the military? This country does not have conscription, therefore every one is a volunteer, who joins knowing what the risks and dangers are of being in an armed force! ....

....I go back to my theme of tolerance, kindness, and neighbourliness!

And so they are therefore less worthy of our concerns?

I don't happen to like violence or weapons or armed forces - but its people we're talking about here. I've worked with some of them and they're human just like you and me.