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Sometimes it seems there are more abstainers than voters. If 4 vote yes, 1 votes no, and 95 abstain but "go with the majority", is that a fair representation?
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Its very easy for me to say I wouldnt strike.
However, its not my pension, contributions, pay, etc etc that are being changed.
If it was I too would kick up a stink.
Being employed in the private sector I feel that should I have a real issue with my employer, regardless of what my contract says I pretty much have no protection or way of complaining.
I do feel that public sector workers are well looked after in their retirement, I for instance cannot afford to pay into a pension of any sort at the moment.
I tend to lean more to the right than the left politically, on this though I'm sitting firmly on the fence.
I say to all union members do what you feel you need to.
It will be a PITA having to take the day off to look after the kids...but it may mean an extra days fishing!!
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Personaly, I would say Yes, as the majority with a preference have voted, the 95 who abstained clearly dont mind or they would have voiced an opinion, and in a democracy, theone who did vote against should accept the majority vote- surely thats the basis of democracy?Originally posted by mothhawk View Post"... discipline is what the world needs today and etiquette, you know. For one of the noblest things a man can do is to do the best he can, yeah ..."
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I'm not really a 'union man' but my thinking would be that 95 people dont care strongly enough to vote either way, 4 feel really strongly yes, only 1 felt really strongly enough to vote no..!?Originally posted by mothhawk View Post<*}}}>< Jonathan ><{{{*>Comment
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oops, sorry, great minds and all that! lolOriginally posted by Fruit&2veg View Post<*}}}>< Jonathan ><{{{*>Comment
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If you had paid into a pension though, would you feel happy about the terms being changed midway through?Originally posted by cptncrackoff View Post
*not 'you' personally; 'you' in general
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No, not at all! (personally or in general)Originally posted by zazen999 View Post
In all honesty i probably wont take out a pension at all, speaking to everyone in the current company scheme, they are ALL getting alot less back than they put in.
Obvioulsy this CAN change, but i'm thinking 'try to put £100 a month in a savings account' from about the age of 30 onwards, that and hopefully having paid a mortgage off by then will hopefully see me right.
If a final salary scheme was still around i would sell all my worldly possessions (spelling) to get into it.<*}}}>< Jonathan ><{{{*>Comment
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Guess I would feel more than a little P*****d off and would do what I felt needed to defend my corner, but I also have sympathies with those who have said they dont feel they could support strike action due to the vulnerability of their client groups and would defend and respect their right not to be bullied into taking action for fear of being labelled a "Scab" by a rabid minority.Originally posted by zazen999 View Post"... discipline is what the world needs today and etiquette, you know. For one of the noblest things a man can do is to do the best he can, yeah ..."
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Hum.... my (local govt) pension will more than likely be one of those changing. I won't be striking and am not part of a union.
IMO, pensions, benefits, taxes etc cannot remain the same as they have been. The previous govt's have got us into a situation where we cannot sustain the level of funding. As annoying as it is, I don't see any way to keep pensions etc the same as they were...Comment
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Personally I blame the doctors and nurses and the NHS and the medical researchers after all it is they who have allowed everyone to
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That's what happened to my private pension, because of the drop in payout rates, I had no say in that.Originally posted by zazen999 View Post
That's what the argument is about..why should some have guaranteed pensions under the same conditions.
Can the general public be expected to pay more taxes to cover the extra pensions payments caused by failing money markets.
I certainly don't want to pay more tax on my pension ( the return on savings is zilch as it is) to pay for someone elses pension.Comment
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But! Lots and lots of people don't actively vote for strike action, *not* because they disagree with the argument, or don't care if their pensions or wages are cut, but because they feel a duty of care to the people they look after, or they can't cope if they lose a week's wages, or they fear repercussions from above afterwards... etc. It doesn't mean they don't care!Originally posted by mothhawk View Post
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but governements are not afraid of people. they'll just media blackout them.
I wouldnt mind my pension changing as long as my pension changed in line, say with MP's. I woud be quite happy to have their pension as I can't see how they've served their country well enough to enjoy reaping the benefits. They are still on a final salary pension whereas mine was cancelled.
And if anyone is thinking, yeah but that's sour grapes, you're absolutely right, it is sour grapes. I don't want to be told what I can and cannot have by a group of people who don't live in the real world, push nepotism to it's limits, push the law way past it's limits, lie constantly, spend their time feathering their own nests, cover up and help the people who lost or stole the money that was in pension funds....Comment
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Being self-employed there are many times when I would love to strike - a pension is a word used by others to describe something I have no hope of attaining ever and i get laid off at moments notice with no come back. So I say Snadge, if you feel strongly enough as you do, to have voted, then you should stand up and be counted. If I stood up to be counted, it would be 1 then 0 as I'd be out of work
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I work in a shop and I am in a union.
Does anyone remember there ever having been a shop workers strike? I would like to see a return to no Sunday trading. I am not religious.
I can't afford to pay into a pension either. If I can still work my allotment in my dotage I think it's the best I can hope for.
Has anybody considered the fact that population and economic growth is unsustainable?Comment
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