Emotive subject

[Snadger]

I am my own boss and I have tried to sack myself twice for gross misconduct failed both times.

Tongue in cheek Colin

Is tongue in cheek a gross misconduct sackable offence?

[cptncrackoff]

Is tongue in cheek a gross misconduct sackable offence?

No, but it is a great DVD!!

[Potstubsdustbins]

Is tongue in cheek a gross misconduct sackable offence?

Not really so I stood in front of a mirror and at myself.

Didn't get the boot for that either

Colin

[Snadger]

Just to say.............this thread has lasted 79 posts without being 'shut down'

Three cheeers for the Mods............Hip hip hooray...... ad infinitum!

[Fruit&2veg]

Just to say.............this thread has lasted 79 posts without being 'shut down'

Three cheeers for the Mods............Hip hip hooray...... ad infinitum!

I agree, AND more to the point, three cheers to everyone who has posted, proving that it is possible to have an adult "Political" discussion without it degenerating into a slanging match

[Potstubsdustbins]

I agree, AND more to the point, three cheers to everyone who has posted, proving that it is possible to have an adult "Political" discussion without it degenerating into a slanging match

Only on the Vine anywhere else and it would have been all out war by now and thats down to the members and the mods. Who of course are members to.

Colin

[Alison]

I worked in the public sector for the first few years of my working life and in the private sector for the rest of it (we were sold off and I've since moved companies). My original pension forecasts were amazing and I'll never be able to meet them anywhere else. Over the past few years previous promises have been reduced and my pension is no longer final salary but was originally based on the last 10 years and is now totally share based. I've had no choice about this and to be honest there is not a lot I can do about it. In the meantime there are some sectors who have not been hit that badly. In no way does that mean that it is the turn of those people to be hit. Just because some people have been badly dealt with does not mean that it is right that everybody else should suffer too and I admire those who stand up for the "little man" who is being stamped on again.

Oh and I'm shocked this thread has managed to stay open so long as well

[baldrick]

Only on the Vine anywhere else and it would have been all out war by now and thats down to the members and the mods. Who of course are members to.

Colin

thats because we are all Intergalactic Bon Oefs. Also we are too shattered to argue after picking grubs out of precious plants and digging various types of herbivore faeces into soggy ground over the last few weeks....

[Hilary B]

One reason I could never join a union, if I felt a strike was the wrong thing to do, I could not go along with a majority vote to strike.
Picket lines, well if all they do is say something to the effect of "why not join us?" all well and good, but there HAVE been occasions when people have suffered bullying etc for disagreeing with the strike!

[Snadger]

One reason I could never join a union, if I felt a strike was the wrong thing to do, I could not go along with a majority vote to strike.
Picket lines, well if all they do is say something to the effect of "why not join us?" all well and good, but there HAVE been occasions when people have suffered bullying etc for disagreeing with the strike!

Democratic unions are no different to democratic political parties. We are all bound by majority vote results at a General Election even if we abstain our vote?

As the three musketeers would say 'All for one and one for all'!!!

[Hilary B]

Democratic unions are no different to democratic political parties. We are all bound by majority vote results at a General Election even if we abstain our vote?

As the three musketeers would say 'All for one and one for all'!!!

Yes, that is why I wouldn't join one!
I don't get a choice about government, we are going to have one anyway, but I have never been obliged to join a union, and if a job came with that requirement, I wouldn't do it.
I have known of strikes that were for reasons I considered immoral (at the time, not that I can now remember any details), and I would refuse, so not being IN the union is my only option.

[Snadger]

Yes, that is why I wouldn't join one!
I don't get a choice about government, we are going to have one anyway, but I have never been obliged to join a union, and if a job came with that requirement, I wouldn't do it.
I have known of strikes that were for reasons I considered immoral (at the time, not that I can now remember any details), and I would refuse, so not being IN the union is my only option.

I may be wrong, but I don't think anywhere has a 'closed shop' these days where you HAVE to join the union as part of your employment conditions?

If there was a union where you worked though and they negotiated a better pay deal or better working conditions for instance, would you be happy to take this pay rise or improved conditions, considering your fellow employees were in the union and payed regular union fees so that trained negotiators could put there case forward?

Whether to join the union ot not is a personal choice, but even though some may say 'Unions have had their day' I still think it can be beneficial.

I believe that without unions, the minimum wage wouldn't exist, slave labour would abound and the rich would get richer at the expense of the poor.

[Hilary B]

I may be wrong, but I don't think anywhere has a 'closed shop' these days where you HAVE to join the union as part of your employment conditions?

If there was a union where you worked though and they negotiated a better pay deal or better working conditions for instance, would you be happy to take this pay rise or improved conditions, considering your fellow employees were in the union and payed regular union fees so that trained negotiators could put there case forward?

Whether to join the union ot not is a personal choice, but even though some may say 'Unions have had their day' I still think it can be beneficial.

I believe that without unions, the minimum wage wouldn't exist, slave labour would abound and the rich would get richer at the expense of the poor.

Minimum wage is a great theory, until you remember that it is not global. If all union members who are happy with the minimum wage refused to buy ANY product imported from countries that don't have one......
It was the not-so-poor who achieved a social structure that allowed unions to exist, and made their actions legal.
I would be happy with a situation where those who worked where a union negotiated, but chose NOT to join were expected to pay the equivalent of union subs to a charity.
I could not join an organisation that might expect me to put membership obligations above my own moral standards. Just occasionally, a union might do that. For those who feel differently, well that is their choice.

[Snadger]

Minimum wage is a great theory, until you remember that it is not global. If all union members who are happy with the minimum wage refused to buy ANY product imported from countries that don't have one......
It was the not-so-poor who achieved a social structure that allowed unions to exist, and made their actions legal.
I would be happy with a situation where those who worked where a union negotiated, but chose NOT to join were expected to pay the equivalent of union subs to a charity.
I could not join an organisation that might expect me to put membership obligations above my own moral standards. Just occasionally, a union might do that. For those who feel differently, well that is their choice.

Ok then Hilary,fair do's, live and let live I spose.

Maybe the unions SHOULD be more active in controlling capatalist expenditure on foreign goods from areas with slave labour.
I've got a feeling that the Tory/Capatalist Government would be clapping there hands with glee if unions were outlawed and they were left to their own devices with no controls!

Methinks we'll just have to agree to disagree!

[SarzWix]

Minimum wage is a great theory, until you remember that it is not global. If all union members who are happy with the minimum wage refused to buy ANY product imported from countries that don't have one......

As I've said before, why on earth would we bring ourselves down to the lowest common denominator? Other countries are less concerned about whether their workers die due to their working conditions, perhaps we should go back to that too?

It was the not-so-poor who achieved a social structure that allowed unions to exist, and made their actions legal.

That's funny, I'm sure the Tolpuddle Martyrs came into it somewhere. And a few riots? And the fact that a Revolution was looking a bit likely if there wasn't a few concessions granted. Must go back to my history books and check that out.