Same sex marriage........why not?

[bearded bloke]

Hey up Di speaking of Wednesday night & earlier cerise,mix them up & get .................























Save on knitting & just get the appropriate T shirt

[taff]

what? piggle giggle?

I thought she meant iggle piggle.....I've never even heard of iggle piggle so I have no idea why I thought it would be that.


Yup, I'm late again, but honestly, that was the only thing that caught my eye in the new 3 pages of doscussion today....I'm not saying I have a short attention span or anything....

[Ouya Mellsa]

'Same Sex Marriage: Why Not?'

Why not, exactly.

If folk are against it on religious grounds then which 'loving' God would punish two people (regardless of sex) who genuinely love each other?

[jackyspratty]

A marriage is between people of the opposite sex, so that they can have the stability to stay together and raise children. The law gives them rights over each other, because bringing up children is very important.
So a mixed race marriage is just the same; two people of the same sex is different.

I have many gay friends. Most have been in stable relationships for many years. Some, inparticular my female friends have children within these relationships. Some of the offspring are from previous relationships, others from within the same sex relationship. Either way, I hope they could have the same opportunity as straight couples with children to see marriage as a way of offering stabilty to the children if they want to. I myself am straight, in a 20 year relationship, have children with my partner and am not married, thats my choice. Whether you agree with it or not, my friends in a same sex relationship who have chosen to have children have had to make a conscious choice to do so and are extremely commited to each other and being great parents. I dont believe marriage is just about parenting, but if you argue its a factor then gay couples should have the same rights in that area too as other portential parents. Theres no difference in a same sex relationship. Marriage does not necessarily give you stability to stay together and raise children. But raising children is still an issue if you are in a gay relationship.

[pigletwillie]

'Same Sex Marriage: Why Not?'

Why not, exactly.

If folk are against it on religious grounds then which 'loving' God would punish two people (regardless of sex) who genuinely love each other?

He wouldn't, but then he doesn't have to agree with it either!

[piskieinboots]

He does get a bum steer this God chappie doesn't he - whenever anything goes wrong people ask 'how could He let that happen' yet when things go well you don't hear people saying 'well done old Chap'.

Bit one-sided eh!

I'm not a church-goer but I am a believer in 'stuff' - not just rugby, motorbikes and gardening

[di]

I can remember as a kid, how we'd all dream of being God for a day and what wonderful things we'd do....now I is a grown up....what an awful thought!

When you look at the ten commandments....My Goodness, I hope he won't be judging me on those!

The best we can all do, is live out life through love and forget about judging others...if you believe in God, of whichever religion, then believe/ have faith.....and worry...that he is the ultimate judge.

[donnakebab]

The best we can all do, is live out life through love and forget about judging others...if you believe in God, of whichever religion, then believe/ have faith.....and worry...that he is the ultimate judge.

Yep. Judge not lest thee be judged, It takes all sorts to make a world, Love thy neighbour, Life is too short, Blessed are those that hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

All these sayings spring to mind. Why can't we all just all get on?

[di]

Yep. Judge not lest thee be judged, It takes all sorts to make a world, Love thy neighbour, Life is too short, Blessed are those that hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

All these sayings spring to mind. Why can't we all just all get on?

Cos that silly old cow just had to take a bite from the very apple she shouldn't have! .....tis lame humour, not mockery xx

[Thelma Sanders]

We can't all just 'get on' unless we agree to differ on some things.
We will never all think/believe the same way...that's why it's so difficult to govern, you will always upset someone with new laws/rules - it's just that some shout louder than others to assert what they think of as their 'rights'.
Never underestimate the silent majority, say I - they don't always stay silent

[di]

But why can't we all just 'get on'? One of my best friends from school comes out with some of the most racist tat you would believe...I hate it, but love her. I can walk away or speak out when something is said that I disagree with, it's not my place to judge her though. ( no matter how offensive 'I' may find things)

For me, my problem is more that the C of E have, within the last ten/twenty years decided that certain 'sins' don't matter. If they stuck to their guns and didn't allow divorcees to remarry, I might not have sduch an issue. Seems to me that money talks....and I really do find that genuinely sad. The greedy religious side have tainted those with true faith with the same brush. x

[lizzylemon]

Personally I dont mind relationships that are happy, healthy, equal, honest and loving regardless of the couple. I feel that if a gay couple have a faith, and they wish to marry inside that faith, providing the 'head' of their place of worship is happy to marry them, then that's all that should matter. If on the other hand, the vicor/priest/rabbi/whoever is not happy to do so, then they should not feel forced into preforming the ceramony - there will be another one who is more than happy to do so on their behalf. (I even heard a rumour that there are gay priests/vicors etc) The flip side is that I think they should have the opportunity to turn away 'traditional' couples if they are not satisfied with their show of faith or whatever as well - It has to be an equally considered decision from the church regardless of the sex(es) of the couple.

[lizzylemon]

You're confused!! So am I - very confused Why is life all shades of grey and not simple black & white? (Oops - not meaning black and white as in different races, you understand)
I think I might have an early night.........

If I remember correctly:
As long as one person is born male and the other born female, no matter what final sex they end up, they can legally get married in a Church. If both are born the same sex, but end up as opposite sexes, they can not get married in Church. Church doesn't recognise the law, so you will be recognised as the sex of which you where born, not what you change into.

[di]

If I remember correctly:
As long as one person is born male and the other born female, no matter what final sex they end up, they can legally get married in a Church. If both are born the same sex, but end up as opposite sexes, they can not get married in Church. Church doesn't recognise the law, so you will be recognised as the sex of which you where born, not what you change into.

I think they actually can.

[Seahorse]

The flip side is that I think they should have the opportunity to turn away 'traditional' couples if they are not satisfied with their show of faith or whatever as well - It has to be an equally considered decision from the church regardless of the sex(es) of the couple.

I think that's a very good point. It's most unfair that a gay couple of deep faith can't be married in church yet a straight couple who have no belief and never attend services can do so because they want a 'pretty wedding'.