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  • Kenny, The Sheriffs comments have given me the key that has allowed me at long last to understand totally what the law means and the effect it has on a local authorities powers. As I mentioned above, a local authority has the power to grant leases of land. In the normal case that would mean a Council would have to enter into negotiations with each and every allotment holder about every term in every contract and on every occasion there was to be a review of rent etc. There are over 400 plots in Aberdeen so as you can imagine, there would be a huge amount of work involved. To avoid that volume of work, up here, local authorities may instead make regulations which are binding on all allotment holders but if they do, the regulations have to be confirmed at government level after publication and full public consultation.


    I was able to demonstrate that Aberdeen Council have made regulations. Their plots are administered using Conditions of let letters. The word condition is synonymous with the word rule. One of the Conditions even contains the words "and this rule". So if the local authority accepts that one of its conditions are rules, all the conditions are rules. The Conditions of let letters may equally have been entitled Rules of let letters. A regulation is defined as a rule made and maintained by an authority. The rules were made by our council which is the local authority for this area. The rules are regulations. Absolutely undeniably regulations.

    Our legislations says that if regulations are made and not confirmed at government level they shall be of no force.

    That remains at the core of my defence.

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    • Since I can follow your logic AP and agree with you, then I'm darn sure the Sheriff should be able to.

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      • I agree with your core argument Frank, I almost posted to say, "Well done, you've cracked it" when you said that they had admitted the unfair legislation thing. But there is of course that old chestnut beloved of newspapers and public opinion - anyone's opinion - when an unpopular decision is arrived at: "Won/lost on a technicality". Your core argument may be correct; what you now need to do (in my utterly unqualified opinion !) is marshal all your guns against whatever technicalities the opposition may use to win on a minor point, e.g. the objections the sheriff was making. Think of it rather as, it's not enough to have the winning carrot/tattie/shallot on the plate: you need to have a whole plateful of identical standard winners. Any imperfections and you may lose a vital point, in which instance the procedural legislation may say all other points are moot, to win on this point means...
        Law...if it was that simple, everyone would be doing it, and nobody would get paid well for it, eh ! (Where's the disgusted eye-rolling emoticon when you need it ?)
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        • Cheers matey.

          It's still all there to argue for

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          • Countdown resumed.


            Back in Court to deal with appeal before the Sheriff Principal on Monday morning at 11.00am.

            Grounds of appeal lodged were on the grounds that the Sheriff has refused to consider some of my arguments (he has said this but hasn't specified which ones although there are at least two not mentioned in his judgement which are important and relevant) and that he has misinterpreted the law relevant to my case.

            I mentioned the other day a provision in the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 that hold terms that allow a supplier to increase the price under the contract without allowing representation from the consumer to be unfair. That strikes down the landlords entitlement to increase rent. That argument alone should see me ok. The Council has even argued in Court that I was not entitled to have any say about the matter.

            Additionally, I have done further research on the Regulations aspect which clarifies matters and I think wholly vindicates my arguments. Not setting these in here just in case this is being monitored

            The most important argument is the one I have all along thought of as my get out of jail free card.

            A landlord in Scotland is bound to give a tenant a minimum of 14 days notice if it intends terminating a lease in respect of a breach of a financial contractual obligation and the opportunity to remedy the breach within that period. No such notice was issued to me. Aberdeen Council has argued that the legislation that imposes that obligation is later than the Allotments legislation that allows a local authority to recover possession of an allotment because the Allotments legislation is specific to allotments and the later legislation is a general provision. Guess what? The earlier allotments legislation also provides that a local authority may take proceedings for recovery "in like manner as between any other landlord and tenant" so Local authorities are already bound by the general provision. If I am forced to escape only via that argument, at least I escape having to pay costs but otherwise it just means the Council can have another go if I still refuse to pay rent.


            I have my arguments thought out. Just need to marshall them on paper.

            Watch this space and wish me well. Remember no good luck messages. Good luck doesn't come into it.

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            • As ever I wish you success, for you and for the sake of all others who find themselves in a similar iniquitous position but don't have the spirit to fight it. Go forth Ap and sock it to 'em

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              • Hope it goes well AP - finger's crossed! : )
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                • well wishes for the day ,we all behind you
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                  • I hope all goes to plan for you

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                    • Originally posted by lottie dolly View Post
                      we all behind you
                      Lottie, therehas been unbelievable support from this Forum and I cannot overstate how much that has buoyed me when things have looked bleak. I was deflated after the last Court Hearing, no doubt about that but within a matter of hours I had established the answers which I now think will sort this out.

                      I feel the force

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                      • May the force be with you............
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                        • Lots of positive thoughts from here x

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                          • AP put your big boots on and kick em where it hurts the most.

                            I can lend you some steel toecaps should you wish.


                            Colin
                            Potty by name Potty by nature.

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                            • nah Pottie, argument is lost when it comes to that. I'm happy to use the law. Anyone with the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations on their side has the dice loaded in their favour to start with. A term doesn't need to be unfair or have been used unfairly to be considered unfair. It simply needs to have the potential to be used unfairly. In my situation, several terms have been used unfairly. Hopefully Monday will see an end to it

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                              • Hope so mate it would be nice if you could just get back to enjoying your plot without all the hassle.

                                Still think a toecap might be appropriate in the circumstances though.

                                PS after you have won.

                                Colin
                                Last edited by Potstubsdustbins; 12-02-2013, 09:52 PM.
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                                We hang petty thieves and appoint great ones to public office.

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