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  • I've got a riddle for you

    Or perhaps more accurately, a conundrum for you to consider.

    I recently posted an image of a large Hylocereus Undatus ( purple dragonfruit) plant growing on a trellis in a container. Here is said picture.




    Now, what the picture doesn't show is that there is a large steel beam on the right side of the plant which is one of the supports for a pergola (flat roof, 4 beams, you get the idea).

    So here's where it gets interesting; do you see that very large tendril stretching out to the right side? It's doing that in order to reach that pole. In fact, that specific tendril is at least twice as large as any other on the plant, and it had to grow at a very unusual angle to even start heading in the right direction. It wants to climb up it. Dragonfruit are semi-epiphytes, meaning they attach aerial roots to the trunks of trees and draw nutrients from the bark of the tree. It's for this reason that you don't want to grow a dragonfruit up a tree trunk--it will, in time, completely take over the tree, and even if you were to cut the vine off at the base, it will simply keep feeding off the bark and send shoots back down to the ground.

    I took this picture a few years ago of a feral dragonfruit in a local park. It is slowly killing a gigantic eucalyptus that is about 50 feet high, and some of the aerial roots were as thick as my arm. I don't know how old this vine is, but it must be ancient.



    Anyway, I'm getting off topic:

    So you might think that there's nothing unusual about such a species growing towards structure it can climb up. But here's where things stop making sense:

    We all know that plants grow towards the light. But here's the thing--the pole is shaded. All the time. The plant has in fact grown away from the light (at a very peculiar angle in order to do this) not towards the light, in order to try and attach itself. The crown of the trellis is actually on a slant which points towards the pole, because the new growth is favoring that location.

    So the next step is to assume that it is growing towards the shade. But this doesn't make sense either, because dragonfruit have a very predictable habit; that is, they will grow vertically until the reach the canopy/ the top of whatever they are growing against, and then they will cascade outwards, with the new growth pointing back towards the ground. This is how they grow in the wild. This enables them to catch a lot of light, and create shade at the feet--which they also require for optimal growing conditions. Their objective is to reach full sun, and once that happens, their journey is over.

    And here's something else to think about; there's also shade at the left side of the plant created by the left pole, but the plant has not grown a massive tendril trying to reach this. It is about twice the distance away from the plant as the right pole--which is too far, as the tendril could not support itself at that distance and would snap off. However, both poles produce columns of shade that reach the plant at different times of the day, so the plant is experiencing shade coming from both sides.

    So here's my question (S): How does the plant know where the pole is--and more interestingly, how does it know the right pole is closer to the plant--is at a distance that is feasibly able to be bridged by new growth, when it experiences pretty much the same level of shade from both angles at different times of the day?

    I have no idea. I am, in a word, flummoxed.

    Thoughts?
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  • #2
    Yeh...interesting!

    I've dusted off a few brain cells to see if they come up with anything from school/ Uni days and then had a bit of a goooogle.
    Not come up with an answer but found this interesting read....

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    Not read it fully cos it's not the sort of thing you read at silly o'clock in the morning.fr
    Last edited by Nicos; 12-08-2015, 04:44 AM.
    "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

    Location....Normandy France

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nicos View Post
      Yeh...interesting!

      I've dusted off a few brain cells to see if they come up with anything from school/ Uni days and then had a bit of a goooogle.
      Not come up with an answer but found this interesting read....

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      Not read it fully cos it's not the sort of thing you read at silly o'clock in the morning.fr
      Now, that is interesting. I'm going to give this more than a brief perusal later tonight--I'm sure a few of my fellow dragon collectors are going to be very interested in this. We may get to the bottom of this seemingly preternatural sense for structure that Hylocereus seem to display after all! I bet there's something curious at play with them involving phototropism.
      Last edited by Starling; 12-08-2015, 09:05 AM.

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      • #4
        all a bit beyond me - back to bed
        Just think happy thoughts

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        • #5
          I think it's something to do with the relationship &/or proximity of the oojamaflip to the grunglewurzle, that coupled with the angle of dangle of the fuffervalave to the thingydoodahh, when subtracted from each other & multiplied by the frictional coefficient of ice on concrete will give the answer to the conundrum
          Last edited by bearded bloke; 14-08-2015, 10:02 AM.
          He who smiles in the face of adversity,has already decided who to blame

          Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity

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          • #6
            sorry i cannot help with this one,but do respect those that can ,i would get my coat,but it's to warm for one,so have slunk off instead,
            Last edited by lottie dolly; 14-08-2015, 02:38 PM.
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            • #7
              Sorry but its a Riddle too far for me.
              This is my limit:-

              What brown and sticky?

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              • #8
                ^^^ Dunno


                I do wonder if it's anything link the old Monty Python riddle though



                What's brown & sounds like a bell ?




























                Dung
                He who smiles in the face of adversity,has already decided who to blame

                Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by veggiechicken View Post
                  Sorry but its a Riddle too far for me.
                  This is my limit:-

                  What brown and sticky?
                  melted chocolate
                  warm dates,what you eat
                  treacle on burnt toast
                  warmed black treacle
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by veggiechicken View Post
                    Sorry but its a Riddle too far for me.
                    This is my limit:-

                    What brown and sticky?
                    A stick!

                    What's pink and fluffy?
                    My gardening blog: In Spades, last update 30th April 2018.
                    Chrysanthemum notes page here.

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                    • #11
                      Instant Whip?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by veggiechicken View Post
                        Instant Whip?
                        Nah, that's black 'n flicky









                        ask







                        Miss Whiplash







                        He who smiles in the face of adversity,has already decided who to blame

                        Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity

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                        • #13
                          ^^^ ban him VC...time for your revenge !!!
                          "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                          Location....Normandy France

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bearded bloke View Post
                            ask







                            Miss Whiplash







                            You called,
                            Last edited by Nicos; 14-08-2015, 05:04 PM.
                            sigpicAnother nutter ,wife,mother, nan and nanan,love my growing places,seed collection and sharing,also one of these

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Martin H View Post
                              A stick!

                              What's pink and fluffy?
                              Pink fluff

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