What an incredible sentiment

[Starling]

I wasn't talking about carnivores though? Our incisors are flat & broad like herbivores,omnivores have sharp pointy incisors like carnivores & our canine teeth are not long,sharp & curved like omnivores & carnivores,our canines are short & blunted,similar to herbivores. Omnivores don't do much chewing,they swallow food whole whereas us & herbivores do extensive chewing. We weren't 'designed' to eat animals. Have you seen a gorillas canines? How many pigs & cows do gorillas eat? How many chimpanzees do you see lighting up the barbeque? Sorry but it's quite offensive for me reading what you said because it's not our design. I agree with freedom of choice,people can eat whatever they want,its up to each individual.

Allow me to revise my statement: Humans are designed to be able to catch, and process animal proteins. No, we don't see gorillas eating pigs and cows, obviously--because those organisms don't exist in their natural habitat and they didn't evolve alongside one another. Moreover Gorillas are omnivorous (they eat a range of insects, mostly termites). Yes, I have seen Gorilla canines. They are enormous, long and sharp, to wit:



This is not indicative of a predatory diet however. The presence of those teeth no doubt serve some other function because Gorillas are predominantly herbivorous, but not exclusively.

I'm not going to validate the question of Gorillas having barbecues with a response.

Secondly, it's patently obvious that you deliberately cited Gorillas (which are one of closest relatives) as a means of excusing yourself from an explanation in regards to the evidence I cited re chimps, which are our closest relatives, which we know to be predatory, because you are unable to resolve this phenomenon within the parameters of the ism to which you subscribe. Nothing so see here--look over there!

I'm sorry, but this is an incredibly annoying thing to do and is an inversion of object reasoning.

Lastly, we have short digestive tracts comparably to that of true herbivores which are longer than those of true carnivores, which enables us to process both meat and vegetation. Our stomachs have hydrochloric acid in them for digesting meat. Organisms which are predatory invariably spike for higher intelligence, and we are the most intelligent of organisms. Early humans and pre-humans are both known to have consumed animal protein. Traditional lifestyle (Indigenous) populations acquired most of their energy from meat. And so forth.

Look, I'm happy that you don't support factory farming and every person who goes vegetarian/vegan is one less person buying into that cycle of cruelty, and is reducing suffering. But please be realistic--and keep philosophy out of science.

s

[Knight of Albion]

That's really interesting. I had a friend that had similar. Was a vegetarian for many years, lived abroad for some time, a real health nut, loved to cook. His vegan dishes were delicious. After lots of tests, he was advised to start introducing meat slowly into his diet. He didn't need to eat it daily but his body required much more protein than he was getting.

Protein is protein! Baked beans and wholemeal bread for example will give you the same level of complete protein as red meat.
Excessive meat consumption, processed meats especially, increase 'your' risk of cancer. Multiple research studies have shown that.

Your friend was "vegetarian". They still eat dairy and free range eggs. Protein levels in both of those are superior to red meat.

No matter what diet 'you' follow, 'you' need to ensure it is balanced and providing all the necessary nutrients.

[Knight of Albion]

Allow me to revise my statement: Humans are designed to be able to catch, and process animal proteins. No, we don't see gorillas eating pigs and cows, obviously--because those organisms don't exist in their natural habitat and they didn't evolve alongside one another. Moreover Gorillas are omnivorous (they eat a range of insects, mostly termites). Yes, I have seen Gorilla canines. They are enormous, long and sharp, to wit:

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This is not indicative of a predatory diet however. The presence of those teeth no doubt serve some other function because Gorillas are predominantly herbivorous, but not exclusively.

I'm not going to validate the question of Gorillas having barbecues with a response.

Secondly, it's patently obvious that you deliberately cited Gorillas (which are one of closest relatives) as a means of excusing yourself from an explanation in regards to the evidence I cited re chimps, which are our closest relatives, which we know to be predatory, because you are unable to resolve this phenomenon within the parameters of the ism to which you subscribe. Nothing so see here--look over there!

I'm sorry, but this is an incredibly annoying thing to do and is an inversion of object reasoning.

Lastly, we have short digestive tracts comparably to that of true herbivores which are longer than those of true carnivores, which enables us to process both meat and vegetation. Our stomachs have hydrochloric acid in them for digesting meat. Organisms which are predatory invariably spike for higher intelligence, and we are the most intelligent of organisms. Early humans and pre-humans are both known to have consumed animal protein. Traditional lifestyle (Indigenous) populations acquired most of their energy from meat. And so forth.

Look, I'm happy that you don't support factory farming and every person who goes vegetarian/vegan is one less person buying into that cycle of cruelty, and is reducing suffering. But please be realistic--and keep philosophy out of science.

s

Humans are designed to be fruitarian.

As for meat consumption. The Livestock Industry is unsustainable at present levels, never mind with an extra 40% more mouths to feed - 10 billion - by 2050 or so.
Even the UN and the scientific community acknowledge this.
Not so long from now, the average meat-eater will be eating test tube meat and insects ....

[bearded bloke]

This thread is in danger of turning into ...........








We have had view points from various sides, I think now is a good time to close it before the debate/s get too personal