Organic or not?

[andy_j]

Glyphosate’s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and
Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome: Pathways to
Modern Diseases

people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/entropy-15-01416.pdf


Consequences are most of the diseases
and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders,
obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer’s
disease. We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease,
and we show that glyphosate is the “textbook example” of exogenous semiotic entropy: the
disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins

With the utmost respect mate, you seriously can't blame the world's diseases on glyphosate. Im pretty sure it would've been banned alongside napalm and sarin if all that was true. The above link doesn't work by the way.

[Bill HH]

Glyphosate’s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and
Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome: Pathways to
Modern Diseases

people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/entropy-15-01416.pdf


Consequences are most of the diseases
and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders,
obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer’s
disease. We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease,
and we show that glyphosate is the “textbook example” of exogenous semiotic entropy: the
disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins

Yet humans continue to live longer than ever before!

[Compo72]

My own instinct is not to use chemicals .
Though have to be realistic , I have used them as last resort .

I prefer these forums for advice and search the Internet for a solution
Than reach for the garden spray .




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[alldigging]

With the utmost respect mate, you seriously can't blame the world's diseases on glyphosate. Im pretty sure it would've been banned alongside napalm and sarin if all that was true. The above link doesn't work by the way.

That's the PDF link you get from google results for:
glyphosate mitochondria

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I don't mean to start a row - but would like some suggestions for dealing with the one that's going to happen soon on our site.

We have someone who thinks weedkiller is bad and other people who are going to use it near his plot.

[alldigging]

I would say that the person who doesnt like the use of chemicals should weed the other guys half too.

I can see that'd go down well but it is a suggestion to offer him!

[zazen999]

The way I look at it is this:

Using chemicals is a decision that you make and as such, your use of chemicals can only do one thing and that is destroy someone else's crops. Your use of chemicals should therefore be limited to your plot if that's the way you want to go. As as adult you should be able to cope with other people not using chemicals. You should be able to take enough precautions that your destruction is limited to your plot only.

Not using chemicals is a decision that you make and but likewise, your non-chemicals can't waft onto other people's plots and make them better. So you also have to respect that other people do use chemicals.

The path; sit down as adults and agree on a strategy. Dig it over, sow grass seed and take turns in mowing. Take turns in hoeing. Get down on your knees and take turns in weeding. Pave it together - Whatever. If you really can't respect your neighbour's views then you should down tools and go home.

[andy_j]

The way I look at it is this:

Using chemicals is a decision that you make and as such, your use of chemicals can only do one thing and that is destroy someone else's crops. Your use of chemicals should therefore be limited to your plot if that's the way you want to go.

I really don't understand this. Why would i want to spray someone else's plot....im not into guerilla spraying (yet !!! lol) Why would spraying for blackfly, destroy someone else's crop ?

[zazen999]

I really don't understand this. Why would i want to spray someone else's plot....im not into guerilla spraying (yet !!! lol) Why would spraying for blackfly, destroy someone else's crop ?

You may have heard of this little known thing called 'wind'. I don't want the 'wind' to blow your chemicals onto mine; I have ladybirds that control my aphids. Your chemicals may kill my ladybirds and ergo, upset the cycle that I have spent years trying to get working to control my aphids. Just because you are lazy and want immediate results; doesn't mean we all work like that.

Certainly, weed killer is often sprayed and drifts onto other people's crops. And weedkiller does not discriminate; it will kill weeds and plants alike. Some kill everything except grass. Nice.

I can see why you don't understand an organic gardener; most people who use chemicals don't think they affect other people but they do. Often because of 'wind'. Or just absentmindedness. Or nastiness. Or laziness. Or a myriad of other reasons.

[Thelma Sanders]

There is that implication that we're lazy again *shakes head* if we ever resort to using a spray There's no need to get personal, just accept that some people don't do things in the same way as you

I respect the way others choose to do things and as long as my gardening methods don't affect their crops, then I expect to be left to my own thing as well. You can spray carefully without affecting other people's plots - just because some people aren't careful, please don't assume we're all the same.

[andy_j]

You may have heard of this little known thing called 'wind'. I don't want the 'wind' to blow your chemicals onto mine; I have ladybirds that control my aphids. Your chemicals may kill my ladybirds and ergo, upset the cycle that I have spent years trying to get working to control my aphids. Just because you are lazy and want immediate results; doesn't mean we all work like that.

Certainly, weed killer is often sprayed and drifts onto other people's crops. And weedkiller does not discriminate; it will kill weeds and plants alike. Some kill everything except grass. Nice.

I can see why you don't understand an organic gardener; most people who use chemicals don't think they affect other people but they do. Often because of 'wind'. Or just absentmindedness. Or nastiness. Or laziness. Or a myriad of other reasons.

I have no problems at all with people being totally organic. However, i am PA1, PA2A, PA4 and PA6A qualified with professional pesticides certificate. Why would i spray in anything other than ideal conditions ?

[Snadger]

I have no problems at all with people being totally organic. However, i am PA1, PA2A, PA4 and PA6A qualified with professional pesticides certificate. Why would i spray in anything other than ideal conditions ?

Its simply down to personal preference. I have the same professional qualifications as yourself which I need for my work environment.

My personal preference is not to use any of these chemicals on or near to the stuff that I eat though.

My bugbear as allotment Secretary is folk who spray there plot with glyphosate in the spring, grow a miniscule amount of veg through the summer then spray it again late summer autumn, not to be seen on site again until its ready for another spraying in the spring.

[zazen999]

There is that implication that we're lazy again *shakes head* if we ever resort to using a spray There's no need to get personal, just accept that some people don't do things in the same way as you

I respect the way others choose to do things and as long as my gardening methods don't affect their crops, then I expect to be left to my own thing as well. You can spray carefully without affecting other people's plots - just because some people aren't careful, please don't assume we're all the same.

I assume that because every single person that has ever 'recommended' that I spray my plot/s [including those in schools] says 'why are you bothering to weed, just spray'. Hence, I assume that people can't be bothered to weed, AKA lazy.

I'm more than happy to be educated - why else would people use weedkiller if it's not preferable to getting on their hands and knees and weeding?

[Bigmallly]

I'm more than happy to be educated - why else would people use weedkiller if it's not preferable to getting on their hands and knees and weeding?

Not all gardeners are able bodied (maybe wheelchair bound) so spraying may be there only option. There are exceptions to everything.

[zazen999]

Not all gardeners are able bodied (maybe wheelchair bound) so spraying may be there only option. There are exceptions to everything.

I know, that's my job! Working with disabled young gardeners. Not one of the people who have recommended spraying were disabled themselves though. Which is why my conclusion is as it is.

As I said, happy to be educated.

[Bigmallly]

I know, that's my job! Working with disabled young gardeners. Not one of the people who have recommended spraying were disabled themselves though. Which is why my conclusion is as it is.

Sounds like you have some lazy able bodied kids on your hands................