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  • #16
    Glad to have given you ideas, Mell.

    Certainly there are scion-rootstock combinations that work better (or worse).
    Hardly surprising, given that we're forcing two different trees to become one.
    Many people have speculated that the scion doesn't always get quite what it needs from being grafted to a rootstock.

    As I may have mentioned once or twice before, I seem to find that rootstock has other effects on the scion.

    Examples, *relative* to MM106 (from my observations)

    M25:
    Later flowering, by about a week.
    Later to drop leaves in autumn, by a week.
    Slightly better scion resistance to mildew.
    Slightly reduced scion resistance to scab.
    Slightly later-ripening and slightly sweeter fruits.
    Slightly affects scion growth habit - more of a solidly-built, spreading tree.
    Like the above-ground part of the tree, the roots are thick and spreading.


    MM111:
    Slightly later flowering, by a few days.
    Slightly earlier leaf fall, by a few days.
    Slightly affects scion growth - quite a tall, slender-branched, upright tree (slender twigs is why I don't have much good graftwood on my First and Last at the moment).
    Has a large number of fine, fibrous roots: good for soaking up water and nutrients.
    Like the above-ground part of the tree, the roots are long and slender.

    M26
    Slightly later flowering, by a few days.
    Slightly earlier leaf fall, by a few days.
    Slightly earlier-ripening and slightly sharper-tasting fruits.
    Slightly better scion resistance to scab.
    Slightly reduced scion resistance to mildew.
    Often has just one big main root that is somewhat easy to snap.
    Root system is often one-sided and the tree may also become one-sided.


    In addition, I've also seen upright-growing scions (e.g. Worcester) that seem to cause the rootstock to have a greater tendency to grow downwards and not spread as much. On the other hand, I've also seen spreading scions that cause the root system to spread more than it goes down.

    But I'm willing to be wrong on some of the above: it's just that the above appear to be consistent trends in most seasons, given that I've often had two or three of the same variety but on different rootstocks.
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    • #17
      I assume these obs alkl take place in your current location ? And all planted in the ground ?

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      • #18
        Yes, observations are from my current location and from apples that are planted in the ground.

        But regardless of rootstock, I've never had Annie (M26/MM106/M25) produce the kind of pink blossom that we're led to believe.
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        • #19
          Hi

          I am on the verge of pre-ordering a winston on MM111 to collect autumn 2011. I have scoured the Internet and seems very hard to find anyone stocking winston, or anyone that uses MM111 rootstock, let alone a supplier that does both!

          Is anyone aware of anywhere I might be able to pick one up now? Appreciate that the rarer stock is probably long gone by now...

          Thanks again for all your help

          Rob

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          • #20
            Hope it isn't costing you too dearly ! you could always graft your own

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            • #21
              Winston is quite rare, and so is MM111 rootstock.
              I doubt that you'll find the Winston/MM111 combo for planting this winter, but you might be able to get one grafted to order for next winter.

              With MM111, your options are usually quite limited.
              > Bernwode <, > Blackmoor < and > Keepers < have a small selection of varieties on MM111.

              > R.V.Roger < have a stock of Winston on MM106 (which Mell approves of as a rootstock), but they don't use MM111.
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              • #22
                There's also another website that apparently offers trees on MM111, but I should stress that I have not dealt with them before, so I can't comment on their customer service:

                Home Page

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                • #23
                  I have been speaking to a chap at bernwoods about ordering for next year - cheers FB

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                  • #24
                    Berewodfe is good, but if you get problems and want help grafting one, shout

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mell View Post
                      I know from your previous posts you have had trouble maintaining stock in you area and for you the MM111 seems to work well. But for Leicestershire clays MM106 is a very viable option
                      Yesterday, I was "scouting-out" a parcel of agricultural land that had caught my attention - given the chance, I'd like a smallholding for a variety of hobbies, including maintaining and breeding of rare fruit trees, plus the chance to experiment.

                      Anyway.....I fancied a look at the land from google's satellite images.

                      One thing that struck me as I zoomed-in, was the ginger colour of the terrain in my area - as a result of the very sandy soil.

                      Take a look a > google maps < and look at the sandy colour of the fields just North of Cambridge.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mell View Post
                        Berewodfe is good, but if you get problems and want help grafting one, shout
                        Cheers Mell, I have given up on this year, can't even find anywhere that will sell me the component parts to graft myself, so I've decided to pre order for next autumn.

                        Thanks a lot for the help both of you, very much appreciated

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RobP View Post
                          Cheers Mell, I have given up on this year, can't even find anywhere that will sell me the component parts to graft myself, so I've decided to pre order for next autumn.

                          Thanks a lot for the help both of you, very much appreciated
                          If you've never encountered a maiden apple tree before, you may be surprised at how small they are!

                          A MM111 maiden will normally be a single stem about 4ft tall above-ground and about a quarter-inch thick. The roots will usually be no more than 1ft depth/spread.

                          A maiden may do very little for the first season if bare-root, as it repairs its damaged roots - however Bernwode's container-grown trees don't suffer root damage: Bernwode seem to really care about apple trees.
                          If you can get your maiden planted in September, before its leaves fall, it will then benefit from the big root-growth spurt that apple trees seem to do in autumn.
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                          • #28
                            Sandy soil, mini digger, big hole, fill with good soil ?

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                            • #29
                              Mell

                              Out of interest, how well do trees establish in your area?

                              For example:

                              If you plant a 1yr bare-root maiden MM106 of a medium-vigour variety, what kind of growth rate do you achieve in each of the seasons 1,2,3,4 and 5 after planting?

                              Thanks,
                              FB
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FB. View Post
                                If you've never encountered a maiden apple tree before, you may be surprised at how small they are!

                                A MM111 maiden will normally be a single stem about 4ft tall above-ground and about a quarter-inch thick. The roots will usually be no more than 1ft depth/spread.
                                I had read up on that yeah FB, I thought it would be better to have a 'whip' is it called? As I am hoping to have a bit of height on it before it gets too bushy, I figure I should let it grow to about 6-7ft then chop the top off to encourage more side shoots? Ideally I'd like to be able to walk under it.

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