Inside out vine?

[Snadger]

I fancy a grapevine but don't know whether it will survive outside in my locale?
I have heard of people planting grape vines outside but training them through a hole in the greenhouse so that the foliage and fruit are inside.
I was thinking of doing likewise but training one leader along a South facing fence and another leader inside my greenhouse to get the best of both worlds.
I may even get a succession of crops if it works! The variety is 'Cabernet Sauvignon' which I purchased bare rooted from woolies! I have it in a 10" pot at present in the grenhouse and it is starting to throw out a few shoots!

Any thoughts?

[LaurenGrows]

Oh, Snadger Wine sounds very up market

[littlemark]

My feeling is that since the Cabernet grape is generally grown in Europe for winemaking, and as far as I know, not grown at all by UK winemakers, growing in the greenhouse would be essential if you ever want to ripen the grapes. Planting outside and training into the greenhouse is probably done to reduce the need for watering, which sounds sensible to me.

I'm not sure there's any sense in Woolies selling Cabernet Sauvignon vines, growing grapes for red wine is difficult enough in this country even using varieties more suitable. This is a short description from a wine merchants website:

'Cabernet Sauvignon is a the principal grape in many Bordeaux wines. It is grown in most of the world's wine regions, although it requires a long growing season to ripen properly and gives low yields. The particularly thick skin of the Cabernet Sauvignon grape results in wines that can be high in tannin which provides both structure and ageability...'

Best of luck, Mark

[shirlthegirl43]

My Cab Sauv grape (last year from Woolies) is in a 15" pot and spent the winter in the garden. All I can say is that it is at the same leaf stage as all the grape vines I passed on my way through the Rhine Valley last weekend I took that to be enough reassurance that my vine was okay outdoors.

[il_cacciatore]

If you want my opinion Cabernet won't ripen in this country even in South England. You need a quick maturing grape variety like Rondo, Siegerebbe Triomph or such like.

[Snadger]

Oh, Snadger Wine sounds very up market

Yeah I realise that! Just waiting of them developing a 'Brown ale' vine!

[Trilby]

Moving a Established Grapevine

Hello anyone. Can you Help

My Son is about to take a very established Grapevine out of someones garden
to make room for a new Garage. Can this be transfered okay? is my first question, if so can you let me know what treatment it needs to make sure it survives, it seems a shame to let it be thron away, apparantly it must be all of 15 years old, and drips with grapes.

Can anyone advise.:

[shirlthegirl43]

Wanted to say hi and welcome to the vine though. Good luck with the vine moving - if it is going to be thrown, it is worth trying the move. I expect digging as much root out as you can and then watering it in well at the other end (and keep watering well all this year) will be about the best way to go. Sure some grapes will be along with the right advice soon.

[Paulottie]

Goodmorning Trilby, Welcome to the vine, Ideally, I'd have tried earlier than now but there is nothing to lose: Prepare it's new home well- then cut everything off the top -and I mean only leave a stump 2' long. and cut any laterals on this down to a bud or two. Then trench round it about a foot away cutting the anchor roots get as far down as possible then go under. and pull but I'd guess you'll need to cut the tap root. Drop it in bucket of water for an hour then Wrap it in plastic sheet and move to new home try and not let it dry at all- drop in another bucket of water- then planting hole-Then hope and pray it reshoots. if it does- keep it compact and cut all fruit off this year. The less top there is and the more root the better its chances.

[Paulottie]

Snadger, I did some training in French cellars(many years back!) and I'm afraid that I agree with others, If you are going to all the trouble of planting a vine and making holes in greenhouse etc it is an idea to grow something like maybe Muscat that you can eat as well. Cabernet are bitter little things and You'll need lots of v. Ripe and dry grapes to make wine (it probably won't be red where you are.) I'm sure you will be happier if you could eat them as well if you don't get round to viniculture. probably go nice with a bit of cheese and a bottle of brown ale.

[Snadger]

Snadger, I did some training in French cellars(many years back!) and I'm afraid that I agree with others, If you are going to all the trouble of planting a vine and making holes in greenhouse etc it is an idea to grow something like maybe Muscat that you can eat as well. Cabernet are bitter little things and You'll need lots of v. Ripe and dry grapes to make wine (it probably won't be red where you are.) I'm sure you will be happier if you could eat them as well if you don't get round to viniculture. probably go nice with a bit of cheese and a bottle of brown ale.

I must confess to having three grape vines! One is the Cabernet Sauvignon that I bought and the other two are cuttings from an indeterminate grape that seems do well in quite a few of the allotments round here. It is a pinky coloured grape, very sweet to eat and ripens early.
I think I will probably confine the Cab Sauv in a large pot and grow it indoors and possibly grow one of the other cuttings indoors and one outdoors on a south facing fence. I like to make a bit of wine now and again and I do enjoy drinking Cabernet Sauvignon wine (makes a change from thr brown ale!)

If all else fails I can always eat the leaves!

[Trilby]

Wanted to say hi and welcome to the vine though. Good luck with the vine moving - if it is going to be thrown, it is worth trying the move. I expect digging as much root out as you can and then watering it in well at the other end (and keep watering well all this year) will be about the best way to go. Sure some grapes will be along with the right advice soon.

Thankyou for your Help, Hope the move will progress well., think I shall have to put in the Allotment.

Thanks Trilby
speak to you soon

[Trilby]

Goodmorning Trilby, Welcome to the vine, Ideally, I'd have tried earlier than now but there is nothing to lose: Prepare it's new home well- then cut everything off the top -and I mean only leave a stump 2' long. and cut any laterals on this down to a bud or two. Then trench round it about a foot away cutting the anchor roots get as far down as possible then go under. and pull but I'd guess you'll need to cut the tap root. Drop it in bucket of water for an hour then Wrap it in plastic sheet and move to new home try and not let it dry at all- drop in another bucket of water- then planting hole-Then hope and pray it reshoots. if it does- keep it compact and cut all fruit off this year. The less top there is and the more root the better its chances.

Hi Paul

And also thanks for your Help, sounds not too daunting, shall be moving to the Allotment I think, better conditions and more room, as appartantly it was quite a monster.

Thanks again Trilby

[SueA]

Hi Snadger, I've got a 'Cabernet Sauvignon' grapevine in a pot which I got free (just p&p) from a gardening magazine.It seems to be a little shoot grafted onto another stem. I've had it outside all winter & it is just showing some leaves. I'm planning on keeping it in a pot on the south facing patio for now but don't expect to be making any wine from it as it probably won't stay hot enough to ripen any grapes. The vine I have over the arch in my garden produces loads of lovely black grapes every year which would probably make nice wine but I can't be bothered to buy all the equipment & additives you need to do it.I don't know the variety but someone suggested it might be 'Brandt'.

[borage]

I've planted a vine this year if I get grapes it will be a bonus, however the leaves make a lovely wine and thats what I am aiming for