Fruit tree scion wood?

[maverick451]

Does anyone know anywhere they send out fruit tree scion wood? would like to try grafting

[happyhumph]

No idea sorry, but if you manage it let us know how you get on - with photos of course!

[Guest]

GB online. I don't know what the scions are like though, as I only tend to get rootstocks. Eshop selling fruit and nut trees, rootstock and scions - gb-online.co.uk

What sort of thing were you looking for? Are there no orchards or anything near you that you can scrounge off? Or anywhere you can ask if people would think of you when they winter prune?

[maverick451]

Thanks for that link

Ive got the apple bug and want to grow an oblique cordon hedge on my allotment and also a few dwarf trees on M27 and I kind of like those little trees, I havent got the funds to buy them all as nursery grown so thought it would be a nice project to try grafting onto rootstock which is very cheap

I know beggars cant be choosers looking for good eaters with diesease resistance, egremont russet, ashmeads kernel and pinova are ones which I marked down as a possibility as well as a pear and plum, probably about a dozen in total, I could ask if I could put up a notice in the allotment news board, didnt really think of that

[littlemoney]

Apples are great to have and I wouldn't be without mine but at least your will be small trees. My 4 fruit trees are 65 years old and two are are 20 foot high with a 25 foot diameter spead. I don't think they had drawfing root stock then.

[beaufontboy]

I bought mine from Amelia, - Redflesh Apple Tree £15 redflesh Scion Cider Apple pear grafting they all turned up okay and then tried to graft them on to rootstock from GB online, had about 50% success rate but it was my first year ! that said we do around 7 different apple varieties that I could cut you some if that is any help ?

[maverick451]

Thanks beau, great link

Id gladly pay for postage if you were to send me some when you do your winter pruning? what varieties do you have?

[FB.]

Thanks beau, great link

Id gladly pay for postage if you were to send me some when you do your winter pruning? what varieties do you have?

Although not directed at me, I have a couple of dozen apple varieties and several pear varieties from which I might be able offer scion wood (subject to being able to find healthy, vigorous wood).

Ashmead's Kernel
Beauty of Bath
Belle de Boskoop
Blenheim Orange
Bramley Clone 20
Court Pendu Plat
D'Arcy Spice
Discovery
Edward VII
Egremont Russet
Fiesta/Red Pippin
Gascoyne's Scarlet
Gladstone
Gravenstein
Hambledon Deux Ans
Irish Peach
Jupiter
Laxton's Epicure
Laxton's Superb
Milton Wonder (Bernwode)
Red Devil
Ribston Pippin
Scrumptious
Spartan
Tydeman's Late Orange
Winter Majetin

Concorde
Conference
Doyenne D'Ete
Louise Bon de Jersey
Jargonelle
Josephine de Malines
Williams

[maverick451]

Hi FB, thanks for the offer

What would you recommend FB as nice tasting varieties with good diesease resistance to grow on m26 as cordons and also m27 rootstock as pyramids?

Ive read that pear wise concorde is a good one

Just to add, fruit trees seem to do well on the allotment, its a warm sunny site, soil is slighty alkaline loam

[FB.]

.....What would you recommend FB as nice tasting varieties with good diesease resistance to grow on m26 as cordons and also m27 rootstock as pyramids?...

Not many of them meet all your criteria because you're seeking the holy grail.
Disease resistant, tasty, good cropping, compact growing, free-spurring, well-branched varieties are hard to find. Varieties can perform very differently in different soil types and climates. My soil is shallow, infertile, dry, sandy-gravelly-chalking loam sitting on top of sand and gravel, sitting on top of chalk in one of the lowest-rainfall parts of the UK.
Horrible conditions - starved and thirsty - that even the weeds struggle to grow in.

Hence many of my varieties are chosen for disease resistance, vigour and survivability, although some are because I wanted to try them or to fill a particular want or need.

....Ive read that pear wise concorde is a good one....

I find that Concorde is a weak grower and very light cropper. Fruit is arguably no better than Conference which grows better and crops better. Not a variety that I'd grow again.

In my area, lack of pollination due to severe lack of bees at flowering time is becoming a serious problem and I'm thinking of removing most or all my pears soon.

[Lardman]

I started doing much the same here a few years ago maverick451. My soil is probably as bad as FB's and I've found M26 is about as dwarfing as I can go even for cordons. I'm using a mixture of M26 / MM106 at the moment with cordons, espaliers and a couple of pyramids.

Looking at FB's list

Id be short listing:
Gladstone (but it's a partial tip bearer)
Egremont Russet
and probably Fiesta for volume.

No Winter king or Kidd's Red ?

On a side note FB, what do you think of Edward V11 ? I'm torn between that and another local cooker (Newland sack), pollination concerns me I don't grow CPP.

[FB.]

I started doing much the same here a few years ago maverick451. My soil is probably as bad as FB's and I've found M26 is about as dwarfing as I can go even for cordons. I'm using a mixture of M26 / MM106 at the moment with cordons, espaliers and a couple of pyramids.

Looking at FB's list

Id be short listing:
Gladstone (but it's a partial tip bearer)
Egremont Russet
and probably Fiesta for volume.

No Winter king or Kidd's Red ?

On a side note FB, what do you think of Edward V11 ? I'm torn between that and another local cooker (Newland sack), pollination concerns me I don't grow CPP.

I like Edward VII. It's a healthy tree, fairly vigorous, produces good fruit, keeps well, and doesn't seem to have problems with pollination (I think it might be part-self-fertile).
However, if your 'Newland Sack' variety is a good one, I'd go for that because it's rare.

I had a Winter King (Winston) and found that after a few years it lost its disease resistantce and became quite scabby and some mildew problems. I removed it.
Other people in my area have tried Kidd's OR but it's very prone to canker.

Fiesta, in my area, is a heavy biennial cropper with well below average quality fruit (pests, birds and humans won't eat them). It also suffers badly from bitter pit. Mine will probably be removed soon - when I can find time.

Egremont Russet is biennial, prone to small fruit and prone to bitter pit. It's only the flavour that makes it worth growing.

[maverick451]

What varieties would you recommend FB to a beginner?

I suppose im looking primarily for diesease resistant varieties that are tasty enough to be worth growing.

Im not too worried if they arent the biggest cropper, im only growing for myself really.

[FB.]

What varieties would you recommend FB to a beginner?

I suppose im looking primarily for diesease resistant varieties that are tasty enough to be worth growing.

Im not too worried if they arent the biggest cropper, im only growing for myself really.

If the soil is good and you want to grow them as trained forms on smallish rootstocks (M27, M9, M26) you'll probably be best with some of the modern varieties which tend to be bred with professional growers in mind who want the same kind of thing as you're looking for.
However, disease resistance isn't always a concern for growers who have a variety of chemicals available.
Keepers Nursery has a page for guidance:
Apple trees for sale | Buy fruit trees online

[maverick451]

Ok so ive decided on the following, some modern and some old

Ill update this thread to show you how the grafting goes, even if its a complete failture!

Scrumptious
Egremont Russet
Sunset
Bountiful
Jupiter
Herefordhsire russet
Fiesta
Ashemads Kernel
Claygate Pearmain
Worcester Pearmain
Charles Ross
Milton Wonder
Cox's Orange pippin
Sturmer pippin
Devonshire Quarrenden
Orleans Reinette


Pear
Beth
Conference