How do you tell the difference between Tayberry & Loganberry ?

[Losos]

When we moved to this house there was a rather neglected cane fruit, I 'assumed' it was a Tayberry, since then I've purchased a Loganberry (L564 or summit)

The Loganberry gave some fruit this year and the berries looked similar (but a tad smaller) to what I'm assuming is the Tayberry. Both are putting out very long vigorous canes, both have similar leaf shape.

So, just how does one tell the difference ? And let us not forget that I could be wrong in assuming the plant 'in residence' when we moved in was in fact a Tayberry.

Look forward to some thoughts from all of you, especially if you grow (or have grown in the past) either Tayberry or Loganberry, thanks.

[Thelma Sanders]

I can't say that I've noticed any difference in leaves, but my thornless Loganberry is a much stronger grower than the thornless Tayberry, if that's what you have.

Here, my Loganberry has larger fruit that goes a deep burgundy red when ripe, while the Tayberry has fruit about the same size as a good raspberry fruit, and purple/red colour as well, it's sweeter than the Loganberry.
Loganberry makes the most amazing jam though

I harvest Loganberry from early July, the Tayberry starts about 3 weeks later.

[nickdub]

The easiest way is probably the taste, but its not simple to describe the difference in words. Apart from that my Tayberry cropped about 3 or 4 weeks before my loganberry this year.

If you want to post some photos its possible someone will be able to spot the difference from how they look now.

[Jungle Jane]

There’s an old thread here that might be helpful too -
https://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gr...rry_41656.html

[Losos]

The easiest way is probably the taste, but its not simple to describe the difference in words. Apart from that my Tayberry cropped about 3 or 4 weeks before my loganberry this year.

If you want to post some photos its possible someone will be able to spot the difference from how they look now.

Thanks Nickdub - The thing I'm calling a Tayberry also fruited about 3 to 4 weeks before the Loganberry

I'll try to do some pics, have had a problem ever since MS upgraded my PC to Windows 10 and now can't find anything I load into the machine grrr.

[Losos]

Thelma / Jungle Jane,
Thanks for your input, everything helpful at this stage haha.

[Kirk]

Very little difference - I grew both. There is some just cannot recall exactly what.

Do recall that the Tayberry had thorns all over including on the back of the leaves - evil whatsit.
The Loganberry had thorns all over including on the back of the leaves but sure it also had thorns on the thorns - very evil whasit.

So from recollection the one that draws the most blood is likely the Loganberry.

[nickdub]

Thanks Nickdub - The thing I'm calling a Tayberry also fruited about 3 to 4 weeks before the Loganberry

I'll try to do some pics, have had a problem ever since MS upgraded my PC to Windows 10 and now can't find anything I load into the machine grrr.

No worries - I'd be fairly confident that the earlier one is the Tayberry then - there are both thorned and thorn-less forms of both BTW, for those that commented on this.

One further point I tend to leave the logan fruit on longer, as it goes a very deep burgundy colour and develops a very interesting flavour, a bit like old claret. Do take a bit of picking at this point and you find your fingers stained a deep purple.

Cheers, Nick

[Losos]

Very little difference - I grew both. There is some just cannot recall exactly what.

Do recall that the Tayberry had thorns all over including on the back of the leaves - evil whatsit.
The Loganberry had thorns all over including on the back of the leaves but sure it also had thorns on the thorns - very evil whasit.

So from recollection the one that draws the most blood is likely the Loganberry.

Haha - Both appear to be thornless, that's a relief, thanks for the comment anyway

[Losos]

One further point I tend to leave the logan fruit on longer, as it goes a very deep burgundy colour and develops a very interesting flavour, a bit like old claret. Do take a bit of picking at this point and you find your fingers stained a deep purple.

Cheers, Nick

Thanks, sorry for late reply (have been trying to catch up in the garden as we didn't get out much in that very hot weather)

My wife is always telling me I pick the fruit too early so yes I will leave the Loganberry until it is like you said (not that I'm all that familiar with 'old claret' haha.)

[Losos]

my Tayberry cropped about 3 or 4 weeks before my loganberry this year.

Nickdub, I've resurected this thread because I just noticed that what I thought was a Tayberry is now in full blossom but the other one (which I know is a Loganberry) has not opened it's flowers so it's likely 3 or 4 weeks behind, just like you said

Moral to all users on here, listen to nickdub, he knows his onions (or in this case his Tayberries )

[nickdub]

Nickdub, I've resurected this thread because I just noticed that what I thought was a Tayberry is now in full blossom but the other one (which I know is a Loganberry) has not opened it's flowers so it's likely 3 or 4 weeks behind, just like you said

Moral to all users on here, listen to nickdub, he knows his onions (or in this case his Tayberries )

Glad you sorted it - both types are well worth growing IMO.

"he knows his onions " actually I'm no great shakes on onions, mostly because they are so cheap in the shops - fruit is really my thing, I'm no expert, but a fairly knowledgeable amateur :-)

[Losos]

"he knows his onions " actually I'm no great shakes on onions,

When I was a lad my Dad was always saying "He knows his onions" when refering to someone he considered knowlegible, you don't hear it said so often now, maybe in those far off days onions were not so cheap.

[nickdub]

When I was a lad my Dad was always saying "He knows his onions" when refering to someone he considered knowlegible, you don't hear it said so often now, maybe in those far off days onions were not so cheap.

Yes a well known phrase in its day - I fancy onions of the prize winning sort grown for local shows were a very difficult thing to produce - so if your onions were the best in the area, you got the accolade of being an extremely good veg gardener.