Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Flame gun v Roundup

Collapse

X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Flame gun v Roundup

    Hi all,
    I've read a few threads about these and I really like the idea, but now my OH is asking why it's any more green than using Roundup? (I have quite a bit of paving/gravel to keep weeded and I thought the gun would do the trick greenly but........).
    Anyone have some good arguments I can use to sway him?

  • #2
    use round up on the gravel or gig it up then put someweed suppressing membrane down and relay your gravel
    but you can get small flame guns which use butane canister from the garden centers or e-bay
    hope it helps
    PRESTON NORTH END
    xbox gamertag billybobs
    add me to your friends list if you got what it takes

    Comment


    • #3
      I perosnally would use Round up, it will makes the job a lot quicker and easyier.
      Its also a lot cheaper and will last for ages once done

      Comment


      • #4
        To do it properly Caroline you'd need to flamegun a couple of times on tough weeds. You done set fire to them just heat them up enough to rupture the cell walls.

        I'd use round up as the small gas ones are about £ 30 - you can get a lot of roundup for £30!! The big petrol ones are £100+ so the roundup looks a snip doesn't it
        ntg
        Never be afraid to try something new.
        Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark.
        A large group of professionals built the Titanic
        ==================================================

        Comment


        • #5
          roundup is fantastic but flame gun is much more fun!
          How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.”

          Comment


          • #6
            This is the sort of dilemna that I and my fellow Conservation Volunteers have to decide on all the time. Unfortunately, it is almost always a case of comparing apples and oranges for flavour; it boils down to, which do you prefer ? !
            Gas powered flame guns, quite apart from being a wee bit dodgy to control in my admittedly limited experience, and more to the point not much use in windy conditions, use butane or propane gas, and steel. The fuels are greenhouse gases, and if I remember correctly ozone depleters too. (Although any gas that contributes to the greenhouse effect also contributes to ozone depletion indirectly, by leading to lower temperatures in the upper atmosphere which sustain the destructive chemcial processes, some are worse than others.) The steel used in the non-recycleable cans is obviously a non-renewable resource loss in this instance, and energy intensive to manufacture to boot. Not to mention the energy required to transport the gas canisters.
            Roundup by comparison is produced from petroleum based feedstock via energy-guzzling refining plants, ('nuff said ! ) and the manufacturing process is long and involved, requiring lots of energy at every step. And despite the manufacturers hype, it does leave a residue in the soil, the long-term effects of which are simply not known. For all we know, it could be the next asbestos, DDT, whatever. Alternatively of course, it might be harmless - how lucky do you feel ?
            Without a proper, universal energy auditing system in place in industry - never likely to happen - there is no way to compare the energy used by one option against the other. But the processes by which steel and butane are produced are much simpler and longer-established than that for modern herbicides, so there is a fair chance that they are more efficient and less energy intensive simply because economic competition has driven a lowering of costs.
            You can pretty much tell which I favour. However the option I would normally use is polypropylene mulchmatting under a good two inches of gravel, and hoeing (doable even on a windy day) to remove the weeds on a regular basis. If you once let the rhizomes get through the matting....good luck. I'd head for the hills.
            Under or between slabs....well sadly I have this problem to contend with at present and my plan of attack is to lift the slabs, lay plastic sheeting (which may leave plasticiser in the soil, you can use newspaper instead so I may), the usual sand on top of that, then re-lay the slabs, sprinkling either salt or cement dust under and/or between them to discourage weeds. Well laid concrete gives little quarter to the weeds, but cement production is pretty energy intensive and very environmentally unfriendly.
            Clear as mud, innit ? You can see why my lot are so into "wildflower meadows"....
            There's no point reading history if you don't use the lessons it teaches.

            Head-hunted member of the Nutter's Club - can I get my cranium back please ?

            Comment


            • #7
              Many thanks all for your suggestions.

              Comment


              • #8
                between slabs - I've had reasonable success killing weeds by dribbling the dregs from the kettle on small areas. Seems to last a few weeks and the hot water would otherwise go to waste.

                Feel a bit guilty about the spiders though...
                You are a child of the universe,
                no less than the trees and the stars;
                you have a right to be here.

                Max Ehrmann, Desiderata

                blog: http://allyheebiejeebie.blogspot.com/ and my (basic!) page: http://www.allythegardener.co.uk/

                Comment


                • #9
                  Flame Gun

                  Caroline, if you opt for a flame gun Lidl are selling them from 7 Sept for £7.99 and the gas canisters are £1.99. They're also selling other gardening tools etc

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    sunbeam - yep, agree with you! dexterdog
                    Bernie aka DDL

                    Appreciate the little things in life because one day you will realise they are the big things

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      my vote is for round up ( extra stengtjh from all good farmers out-lets !!!)
                      would love to play with a flame gun.....???Xmas/birthday treat???? ( OH bound not to notice!!!)
                      garden centre round up just not strong enough.....go for farmer's strenghth!!
                      "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                      Location....Normandy France

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I used a gas canister flame gun and found it theraputic(?) but bloody useless at killing weeds.Being totally against any chemical control I now mow my paths at the same time as my lawns with a cheap rotary mower.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by burnie View Post
                          I used a gas canister flame gun and found it theraputic(?) but bloody useless at killing weeds..
                          Get a big petrol jobbie Burnie, far more theraputic & you can steralise soil with it.
                          ntg
                          Never be afraid to try something new.
                          Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark.
                          A large group of professionals built the Titanic
                          ==================================================

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by snohare View Post
                            This is the sort of dilemna that I and my fellow Conservation Volunteers have to decide on all the time. Unfortunately, it is almost always a case of comparing apples and oranges for flavour; it boils down to, which do you prefer ? !
                            Gas powered flame guns, quite apart from being a wee bit dodgy to control in my admittedly limited experience, and more to the point not much use in windy conditions, use butane or propane gas, and steel. The fuels are greenhouse gases, and if I remember correctly ozone depleters too. (Although any gas that contributes to the greenhouse effect also contributes to ozone depletion indirectly, by leading to lower temperatures in the upper atmosphere which sustain the destructive chemcial processes, some are worse than others.) The steel used in the non-recycleable cans is obviously a non-renewable resource loss in this instance, and energy intensive to manufacture to boot. Not to mention the energy required to transport the gas canisters.
                            Roundup by comparison is produced from petroleum based feedstock via energy-guzzling refining plants, ('nuff said ! ) and the manufacturing process is long and involved, requiring lots of energy at every step. And despite the manufacturers hype, it does leave a residue in the soil, the long-term effects of which are simply not known. For all we know, it could be the next asbestos, DDT, whatever. Alternatively of course, it might be harmless - how lucky do you feel ?
                            Without a proper, universal energy auditing system in place in industry - never likely to happen - there is no way to compare the energy used by one option against the other. But the processes by which steel and butane are produced are much simpler and longer-established than that for modern herbicides, so there is a fair chance that they are more efficient and less energy intensive simply because economic competition has driven a lowering of costs.
                            You can pretty much tell which I favour. However the option I would normally use is polypropylene mulchmatting under a good two inches of gravel, and hoeing (doable even on a windy day) to remove the weeds on a regular basis. If you once let the rhizomes get through the matting....good luck. I'd head for the hills.
                            Under or between slabs....well sadly I have this problem to contend with at present and my plan of attack is to lift the slabs, lay plastic sheeting (which may leave plasticiser in the soil, you can use newspaper instead so I may), the usual sand on top of that, then re-lay the slabs, sprinkling either salt or cement dust under and/or between them to discourage weeds. Well laid concrete gives little quarter to the weeds, but cement production is pretty energy intensive and very environmentally unfriendly.
                            Clear as mud, innit ? You can see why my lot are so into "wildflower meadows"....
                            Roundup is Glyphostae based and you can supposedly drink it in concentrated form without ill effect (Don't try this at home anyone!)...haven't seen many reps prepared to give a practical demonstration though...............
                            My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                            to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                            Diversify & prosper


                            Comment

                            Latest Topics

                            Collapse

                            Recent Blog Posts

                            Collapse
                            Working...
                            X