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    Hello all,
    I have just found this great forum and I am hoping for a little advice as I am a complete novice but am keen to try growing my own and failing rather than not try at all.....I'll be happy with a little success to be honest.
    Now, I am predicting a very long post here so I'm sure you will get bored reading the whole post and replying to it all would probably take as long as me writing it so I'd appreciate any advice even if you cannot answer all my questions. Get yourself a brew and read on....

    OK, I live in North Wales on the coast and I got the growing bug last August when I bought some of the 'living plant' type of herbs from the supermarket. I managed to keep Parsley, thyme, basil and mint alive (sadly the coriander plant wasn't as fortunate) and then the wife bought me a strawberry plant and a red bell pepper plant. It was clearly too late in the year for strawberries but the pepper plant gave me a few wierd shaped peppers that didn't have time to turn red but they tasted ok as green peppers. The strawberry plant produced a few runners so I am looking forward to the summer and seeing the fruit from them.

    Anyway, like I said, I got the 'grow your own' bug and went and bought a load of seeds to try for this year. Looking at them now I really don't know what possessed me to buy so many considering I am as green as the bell peppers.

    Lack of a plot is also a problem I didn't consider! Anyway space wise I have two 3x3 foot beds which is the only outside ground space I have. I have now bought 3 of those plastic type potato growing bags (measuring about 35-40" high) and also 3 of the similar type material vegetable growing bags which measure about 20"(length)x10"(width)x14"(depth). I also have some oblong plastic planters like the window box type measuring approximately 20"x7"x7" and various sized stone planters. I have also bought a cheap plastic greenhouse which is about 6ft(height)x4ft(width)x6ft(length) but I fear I have more seeds needing the greenhouse than I have room for once they are growing but hopefully I am wrong! Oh I also have a window box but that is where the strawberry plants live.

    I stupidly thought when I bought all the seeds that some of them would be suitable for growing through the winter, then some in spring and some in summer so I could harvest one thing then sow another in it's place. But when the seeds arrived I looked up a few sowing time articles on the internet I found that pretty much everything is best sown February, March or April time so that really puts pressure on my limited space I guess.
    The things I have for growing this year are......
    Aubergine black beauty,
    Courgette italian striped,
    Beetroot Detroit crimson globe,
    Leek mussleburgh,
    Onion ailsa craig,
    Spring onion white Lisbon,
    Butternut squash waltham,
    Carrot autumn king,
    Onion red baron,
    and these different chilli varieties....Hungarian hot wax, Jalapeno, Fatalii, Satans kiss, Bird eye, Habanero red, Hot cherry, Cayenne golden.

    On top of all that I want to get some seeds for a dwarf cherry tomato plant, I have planted some broad beans in one of the plastic type vegetable bags, I have planted some garlic in one of the beds, and I have some dried peas that someone gave me to try to grow. I also have some seed potatoes to try in the potato bags but can get more if recommended.

    Oh and I also have 200 asparagus seeds but I believe it takes 3 full years to get the first crop so I won't bother with those. (anyone wants the seeds let me know and I'll send them along. I also have some spare seeds for the aubergine, hungarian hotwax,ailsa craig onions, courgette, and beetroot if anyone needs any let me know)

    I am a keen reader so I have picked up a few handy tips during the last couple of months but you can't beat any advice from experienced growers who have "been there, done that and got all the clobber".

    I suppose my main question is what can be planted outside and what needs to be in the plastic greenhouse and then the order of sowing and whether or not things need to be started off indoors or in the greenhouse before transplanting outside.

    The way I was kind of seeing things panning out was that.....
    the potatoes would grow outside in the bags mentioned earlier
    the peas would grow outside in a plastic oblong planter (is 7" deep enough though?)
    The garlic can be left in the bed (takes up half of one bed)
    Broad beans left as they are in the plastic veg growing bag outside
    Dwarf cherry tomato plant in the greenhouse
    All the chillies in the greenhouse in those oblong shaped planters if 7" is deep enough? (if any can go outside that would help)
    red onion outside in the garlic bed or veg bag
    ailsa craig onions outside in the garlic bed or veg bag
    carrots outside in a veg bag ( i know, I need more veg bags!)
    butternut squash outside in pots
    spring onion outside in veg bag
    leeks outside in the other free bed
    beetroot outside in veg bag
    courgette outside in pots
    aubergine in pots in greenhouse.....

    How does that sound? I am just looking to get a little organised at the moment as it seems like I might get a bit flustered with everything starting at once and not having a real clue about what I'm doing. I'll stop here as that is all I have for now I think but just wait until I get some results then I'll be asking about how I store the produce, how do I get seeds from the produce to use next year, how do I dry the produce, any recipes for the produce.......one step at a time eh!

    Many thanks for reading and let me know if anyone wants any of the seeds I mentioned
    Last edited by SarzWix; 07-01-2011, 11:42 AM. Reason: Just adding spaces to make reading easier :)

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    sopunds like a plan, but if you have limited space, I would ditch the onions, and grow something you like instead.
    Spring onions will be quite happy in pots, maybe a large flower pot, sprinkle in some seeds, not thinly, that way you can pull the odd one when it's thick grass like, and leave the rest growing to plump up.
    One courgette plant can grow up to 1m squared, so go for either a climbing variety, or compact type, they are also heavy feeders, ditto the squash. You might consider a different type of squash too, sometimes butternuts are a bugger to grow. Train the squash up a trellis or similar to save space on the ground too.
    Have a look at some square foot gardening sites to see what you can plant in your beds. If you change your mind about what space anything is currently taking up, like the garlic, it won't mind being transplanted too much or moved closer - assuming you like the idea of square foot gardening.
    the planters are deep enough for nearly everything except root veg, so no worries there. Check the size of full grown chilli plants too to see how many you can fit into your planters.
    Someone else will be along soon

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    • #3
      Sounds like Taff has covered most things. As you are short of space, I would also advise the square foot method. I had great success last year with it. The link is below. You may also consider growing your cherry toms in hanging baskets. Good luck & keep posting.

      P.S Welcome to the vine.

      http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...ing_44388.html
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      • #4
        Originally posted by ragingbull81 View Post
        pretty much everything is best sown February, March or April time so that really puts pressure on my limited space
        That puts you in the same boat as the rest of us then
        Firstly welcome.
        Secondly, read your seed packets for sowing & harvesting times, and planting distances. That will help you work out your spacings. Eg, squashes (inc. courgettes) take up a metre or more. You might want to make a squared up plan of your plot.

        Consider where the sun is: south facing plots are ideal, north is not

        Originally posted by ragingbull81 View Post
        Aubergine,
        Courgette, Beetroot, Leek ,
        Onion, Spring onion white Lisbon, Butternut squash, Carrot, Onion, and these different chilli varieties....some seed potatoes to try in the potato bags .
        Chillies need a constant temp of about 18c (day and night). Some people have started them off indoors already (look for that thread). I don't have enough light for that, so mine get started in Feb. I put half a dozen outside most years, but last year they all failed (it was too cool & wet)

        Aubergines need a greenhouse, have a go, but you might decide not to bother (I don't, horrible things)

        Onions are in the ground a long time, and are cheap to buy: you might decide to use your limited space for something that costs more to buy, eg early spuds.

        Ditto carrots: the Autumn King type (big winter carrots) are cheap to buy. Why not try a more specialised, early carrot instead? There are loads, my faves being Amsterdam , Adelaide and Purple Dragon


        Originally posted by ragingbull81 View Post
        I suppose my main question is what can be planted outside and what needs to be in the plastic greenhouse
        Your seed packs will advise you when to sow.
        You can generally start things off a couple of weeks earlier if they are under cover
        Hardy crops (like your broadies) can go straight outside. If you're unsure, have a google

        Keep your eye on the What I Did Today thread to see when people are sowing what.

        Have fun
        Last edited by Two_Sheds; 07-01-2011, 08:33 AM.
        All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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        • #5
          You sound fairly organised! If you look at all the different threads on "Vegging Out", visit "New Shoots" and search the forum in general, you will access loads of helpful information. It would also help you to look back at "What I did Today" which will give you an idea of how and when to grow your veg. You can also post any specific questions you have and will receive loads of advice from experienced growers. When you've been here a little while you can "share" seeds on the "Seed Swap". Good luck with it all and happy growing!
          Granny on the Game in Sheffield

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          • #6
            As a member of the National Vegetable Society, I'm delighted that someone is being inventive with the use of different containers to enable themself to grow veg. One of our important messages is " If you haven't got a plot, you can grow it in a pot". I took some photos in the garden of an old lady who does likewise and manages to delight herself with the success of her efforts.
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            Last edited by Aberdeenplotter; 07-01-2011, 09:35 AM.

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            • #7
              also this one
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Aberdeenplotter View Post
                also this one
                Thank you for the inspiring photos. As one growing a yard, much appreciated

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                • #9
                  Hello

                  I am a relative newbie too but it sounds like you are pretty organised! I know last year I put a lot of pressure on myself to get it right first time and was then disappointed with certain aspects. So this year, I have drawn up a plan and have resolved not to get too flustered and just try my best!

                  I had great success with courgettes, which I grew in very large pots (from Wilkos, cost about £2), salads (in growbags) and potatoes (in bags). Beetroot was a nice surprise for me (I didn't think I liked it. but I do!) and I grew it in troughs. I grew peas in pots and didn't have much luck but will be trying again and see how I get on. I also grew carrots in pots which worked beautifully.

                  Good luck and welcome
                  Last edited by SarzWix; 07-01-2011, 11:43 AM. Reason: no need to quote the whole post again ;)

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                  • #10
                    Hello and welcome to the Vine. I don't have very much to add to the already great advice on here but I would like to echo Florian's advice about not trying to do too much in the first year and remember that you will probably be over run with courgettes so start looking for recipes about now
                    And, above all, have fun.
                    A garden is a lovesome thing, God wot! (Thomas Edward Brown)

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                    • #11
                      Hello, and welcome to the Madhouse!

                      My only advice is - just sow a few of everything, until you get the hang of it all. There is sooooooo much to learn, and, if (when) you get something wrong (and we all do, from time to time) you wont have wasted loads and loads of plants, and you won't feel so disheartened.

                      Enjoy!
                      All the best - Glutton 4 Punishment
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                      • #12
                        When I used to grow all my veg in containers it looked a little like this

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                        • #13
                          Welcome to the Vine, ragingbull81
                          Our fellow Grape Viners have given you lots of good advice. My advice would be at first grow what you know you know you like to eat and in small amounts to see how easy or hard they are to grow.
                          Lots of things can be used to grow things in like old wardrobes and cupboards, baths and sinks, plastic toy boxes and flower buckets.. all of which you can get for free from skips or Freecycle. Once the bug gets hold you will find it hard to wark past a skip without have a furtle though.
                          No matter haw much or little space you have you will soon yearn for more.
                          Many of us are very cost concious and try to grow our produce as cost effective as possible.
                          Happy Growing
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                          • #14
                            Thanks

                            Thanks to all of you for the much appreciated advice and mostly for the warm welcome to the forum.
                            I think I may take Taff's advice and leave out the butternut squash this year as I have plenty to be getting on with for my first year. I may also give the onions a miss. I will look up the square foot method as soon as I am done writing this so thanks for that. I will also take Bigmally's advice and grow the tomatoes in a hanging basket instead of pots in the green house.....I take it the hanging basket with tomatoes is for outside?
                            Thanks to Two sheds for the chilli growing advice. I'll have to be careful and monitor the temperature but feel it may get far lower than 18 in a blowaway greenhouse. I'll keep some on the kitchen windowsill indoors (as long as they don't get too big) and compare the differences.
                            Thanks to Florence for your advice....how does that seed swap work? Is it just a case of swapping seeds with other members? I did read something about a seed parcel yesterday but didn't find out how it worked as I was merely browsing around looking for the best place to post my message. Of course I will go back through the forum and look up the past posts and I'm sure I'll find some gems of advice there.
                            Thanks to aberdeen plotter for posting the photos, they have given me food for thought so to speak!
                            Florian I was chuffed to read your post as I do want to try courgette as I like them battered with chilli powder sprinkled over them. I will look up more recipes if I have good success with the plants as well. Glad to hear beetroot grew well too. One of my favourite meals includes roasted beetroot and red onion. Quarter the beetroots and cut the red onion into wedges of eights, place on a baking tray drizzle a little oil and add salt and pepper. Roast for just over an hour then put the tray on a lit hob and add some balsamic vinegar and reduce until the onion and beetroot turn syrupy. Delicious!
                            Currysniffa I loved your pot photos. It looks really busy there but really organised. It just goes to show what can be done with limitations. Inspiring to say the least.
                            Many thanks to all of you and I'll keep posting and let you know how I get on this year.....this grow your own lark is more addictive than golf....I had to give golf up as I was taking time off work to go and play!!

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                            • #15
                              Now you can take time off work to GYO instead...............
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