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  • Complete Newbie - New Allotment, and a problem (potentially)!

    Hi Folks,

    I've been reading these forums for a couple of months, and finally got access to a brand-spanking new allotment a couple of weeks ago.

    I have absolutely zero experience with either gardening or growing, but I'm keen to learn. I apologise in advance for some of the very basic, and I'm sure 'stupid', questions I will most likely ask.

    I work from home, and realised last year that it can be weeks between me leaving the house - so the allotment is very much a way of getting me out, and getting some fresh air in the lungs. I've always wanted to be able to grow my own, so when I spotted the opportunity to take one of these, I jumped at it.

    There are a total of 38 plots, each one being 135sqm.

    This is my little plot, as seen on the day we were given access;



    A 8x6 greenhouse will be installed in the top-left of the plot (included as part of the agreement, but won't arrive until mid-may)

    So far, only around a dozen plot holders have made a start, and everyone I have spoken to is inexperienced - so we're all very much learning as we go it would seem. As such, everyone seems to be taking a different approach - some have simply forked the ground and planted, others have installed huge raised beds - and some, like me, are trying to figure out the best way forward.

    The allotments are owned and operated by a very large garden centre, which is across the road from the plots. In our 'welcome pack', they recommended 'double digging' - so that's what I've started with.

    Trying to be nicely organised, I decided to start and the top and gradually work my way down the plot. The plot itself is 8.5m wide, so I've dug the full width x 1m for the first trench. My plan is to go 1m bed, 1m path, 1m bed etc etc.

    Generally speaking, the top 'spade' depth hasn't been too bad to work with - it's clearly clay, but when it was reasonably dry it broke up quite well, and using the Wolf-Garten soil miller (which I saw recommended here) was giving me what I thought was reasonably decent soil (remember, I'm clueless!).



    So, by this point I was feeling really quite confident about what I was doing, and started marking out my extra rows and lightly turning over the soil ready for the 'trench' digging to start.

    Then, in the last few days, we've had rain - lots and lots of rain. With a gap in the clouds and no rain forecast until late afternoon, I decided to take a look at it today - and was greeted with this;



    The depth of the water is around 1 foot - and that's with around 12 hours since it last rained.

    The soil I'd dug out still looks reasonably ok and feels 'crumbly';



    The next trench I'd tentatively started also has a fair amount of water, however, the 'beds' I've only lightly dug over don't show any signs of water logging (though I suspect thats simply because you can't see it).

    The top of the plot, where I haven't done anything at all yet, is a complete swamp - that part was so bad that it took me literally 5 minutes to free myself from it!

    Anyway, and well done if you've read this far!, my immediate concern is the water logging - particularly the sheer amount of it in my trench. Other plot holders that are following the same or similar concept as me, all have the same issue - though as I've dug further and wider, mine is a bit more drastic than everyone else. There seems to be different theories on the best way of tacking it - some (like me) aren't sure, another was filling theirs with compost, and another still was planning to add sand (though I suspect that would be a bad move - with clay?).

    So, first off - is this a problem? Part of me thinks if I hadn't dug out the soil, I wouldn't be aware of the amount of water in there anyway. If it is a problem, what's the best way of tacking it - both in the short-term and long-term? Although I do plan to use raised beds, they will be rather shallow (10cm), and more for the sake of organisation than anything else. I'd prefer not, at this stage anyway, to add tall raised beds - if I can use the soil there (topped up with some compost) then that would be my preference.

    Thanks in advance for any and all tips and advice!

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    A very warm welcome to the forum, dear Lee.

    Good luck with your new allotment!
    Pain is still pain, suffering is still suffering, regardless of whoever, or whatever, is the victim.
    Everything is worthy of kindness.

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    • #3
      Welcome to the Vine. Unfortunately I can't see any of your photos. Also where are you?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by WendyC View Post
        Welcome to the Vine. Unfortunately I can't see any of your photos. Also where are you?
        Thanks both for the welcome!

        Hopefully the photos will now be working!

        I'm in Manchester, the allotment is 7 miles away from me in Cheshire (council ones around here have huge waiting lists).

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        • #5
          Hello and welcome to the forum
          Carrie

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          • #6
            Hello Lee & welcome to the vine. I'm assuming the plots don't come cheap due to them being privately owned so I would ask the owners if they could help out by putting in some kind of drainage. It may be that they can dig out some channels to take the water away.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bigmallly View Post
              Hello Lee & welcome to the vine. I'm assuming the plots don't come cheap due to them being privately owned so I would ask the owners if they could help out by putting in some kind of drainage. It may be that they can dig out some channels to take the water away.
              Yes, they're not cheap - I'm paying per month what most people here pay in a year(!). But, the location is good and it will no doubt prove handy having everything I'll ever need literally across the road. Plus obviously I don't have to wait 5+ years.

              I do however suspect adding drainage may not be an option - we were originally given the option of having both a greenhouse and a shed (at extra monthly cost), and that was later changed to one or the other. Plans for a children's play area on land next to us were scaled back too, so I suspect they've overspent and are reluctant to invest more. They've recently been expanding and developing the garden centre opposite, so it's likely that the allotments were a condition for them getting planning, rather than something they wanted to do off their own back (I may be wrong on this point). That said, they've been very pleasant and welcoming - I will certainly ask, but at this stage I wouldn't want to rely on that as an option, especially as time is ticking on and I need to have the ground as well prepared as possible.

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              • #8
                Hello Lee and welcome. As BigMallly suggests, I'd invite the Site owners to have a look at the standing water and ask them if they can do something to help. They should have access to machinery that could dig out some drainage ditches. At the very least, they might agree to you not paying rent until its sorted.

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                • #9
                  It may not be what you want to hear Lee but unless you want to grow rice, I'd be tempted to give the key back.
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                  • #10
                    Do they sell fish at the garden centre?

                    Sorry, I know its not helpful. However as others have said speak to the powers that be before you do anything else.

                    Hi and welcome to the vine

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                    • #11
                      One of our members coincidently in Manchester had a similar problem:

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                      • #12
                        Hmmm, well this is somewhat worrying! I had hoped either I was worrying about nothing, or that there was something I could do myself.

                        Fingers crossed they will be willing to do something about it then!

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                        • #13
                          I really wish I could suggest something more positive but I've not seen anything that bad...........I really hope you can get it sorted or someone here can give some advice. It will most likely dry out in the summer but then what?
                          Last edited by Bigmallly; 30-03-2015, 09:49 PM.
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                          • #14
                            With the rent you're paying, you would expect better. The advice they gave you to double dig was not the best, given the nature of the soil.
                            Forget digging, weed and plant into the soil as it is. Add mulch on top of the soil and build the soil up to lighten it, not dig down. That's what I'd do anyway! You can expect lots of different advice by the time we'll all said our bit!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bigmallly View Post
                              I really wish I could suggest something more positive but I've not seen anything that bad...........I really hope you can get it sorted or someone here can give some advice. It will most likely dry out in the summer but then what?
                              Thanks - I'll be keeping an eye on it over the coming days to see if the level drops, hopefully I won't have to wait for the hot weather before it disappears! As you say, my main concern is the future - as I have a 'virgin' plot right now, I'd much rather spend the time getting it 'right' now, rather than rush to get it 'done'.

                              Assuming no other solution is forthcoming, would using higher raised beds be a viable solution - or are there any issues with that (aside from cost)?

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