Roses dead?

[gadgetman]

I have 2 roses, one of which has been twig like since winter (was really healthy last year) and another which has only become like it over the last few days - was healthy. Both are in terracotta pots, and havent been allowed to dry out fully.

A third, kept in the same location, treated exactly the same is fine apart from a touch of blackspot that's appeared over the last few days.

Should I assume they're dead, or could they come back next year? A bit lost as to how to tell without damaging them.

[Two_Sheds]

they sound terminal to me.
Tip out the contents and check the roots. You may have vine weevil grubs.

[gadgetman]

Thanks.

Could the vine weevil grubs get from pot to pot, or would they have been there from the garden centre last year?

How can I ensure the same fate doesnt come to the remaining rose?

[Two_Sheds]

You don't know you've got them yet ... I am just eliminating possibilities.

[gadgetman]

LOL, will examine them sunday and report back.

[coreopsis]

Gadgetman,is there any chance to put them into the ground?

[gadgetman]

Not really no. I have nowhere suitable.