Name change when did it occour

[jacob marley]

When i left school and went to work on a large market gardentype farm .
We used to grow Potatoes (Majestic) Carrots (autumn King) Cabbage ( Utility and Savoy) Cauliflower in the summer and in the sping what we now know as winter Cauliflower .
But in them days 50 plus years ago it was called Brocilli so when did the name change from cauli to Broc. jacob

[lainey lou]

I'm far too young to know!

[Nicos]

OK- I'm totally confused...( clearly too young!)
Cauli is white - and broccoli is green ( unless it's purple sprouting..)......

[HeyWayne]

Always been broccoli for as long as I can remember.

[piskieinboots]

....Cauli is white - and broccoli is green ( unless it's purple sprouting..)......

or unless it's white sprouting in which case it is then white broccoli which could be confused with Cauliflower which is white - yer erm so there

[Farmer_Gyles]

i have a book from 1982, Fruit and Vegetables from Seed - An Illustrated Dictionary, edited by Richard Gorer
Under broccoli, it has teh subheading "Heading broccoli, Winter cauliflower" - it has a photo of what looks like ordinary cauliflower and has an "edible white curd"
It has a separate entry for Sprouting Broccoli with the subheading "Calabrese" - there are pictures of purple and green sprouting broccoli - the green stuff looks like the frozen broccoli we buy in supermarkets
There is another entry for Cauliflower, which looks like ordinary cauliflower

So what's the difference between "winter cauliflower" (broccoli) and ordinary cauliflower?

[moggssue]

Right, (not that I'm old enough to remember 'way back when' of course!!!), I thought ... cauli is cauli and always has been. Brocolli is the sprouting stuff, and the green stuff the supermarkets sell as brocolli is really calabrese, and again always has been?

So ... whats the REAL deal then??

From Confused of Caulidom

[jacob marley]

I wanted to know the name was changed from Brocilli to Cauliflower because when i took loads of it to Birmingham wholesale market it always said Broc on the ticket i think farmer Gyles is getting close jacob

[piskieinboots]

AND I just got the May addition of GYO which is being read in April for jobs to do......no, nope noooo nope I'm not going there again

[Eyren]

The name hasn't changed from broccoli to cauliflower - it's just that there's long been confusion between the more densely-headed broccoli on the one hand and small cauliflowers on the other, since the various forms shade into one another. Is Romanesco (the bright green pointy fractal stuff) broccoli or cauliflower? I've seen it described as both.

When I was a teenager working in my stepdad's greengrocery, we called the headed green stuff 'calabrese', but nearly everyone nowadays follows the US practice of calling it just 'broccoli'. What you had in your boxes was presumably one of the semi-heading white sprouting broccolis, aka winter cauliflower...

[Farmer_Gyles]

ah ha ..... so it's an american conspiracy ...... the plot thickens ......

[Cutecumber]

Not wishing to confuse things, but I think there are two distinct types of caluflower - or at least there used to be. The summer/ autumn ones are actually different to the winter/ spring ones - I understand the latter are actually a type of broccoli, but I've only read this and can't confirm.

I don't think this really helps in the name-change thing as it would all still have been known as cauliflower - I mean, it all looks like the same thing.

[Nicos]

So when my Granny was making Cauliflower cheese back in the 1920's she was actually talking American??????????

[Eyren]

So when my Granny was making Cauliflower cheese back in the 1920's she was actually talking American??????????

No, your gran is safe - cauliflower is British It's calling calabrese 'broccoli' (and not knowing about the existence of purple sprouting) that's an Americanism.

[Snadger]

Just to confuse the issue a bit more, I think Calabrese differs from Broccoli in that it isn't supposed to be frost hardy whereas Broccoli in all its different colourations, is!