Three dimensional growing

[Snadger]

Zepherine Droughin or Kathleen Harrop both thornles roses with V.Good Scent.

Sweet peas (but not Snadgers Strain)

We agree on the Zepherine Droughin It's the only rose I possess and has a wonderful 'Oldie worlde' scent!
The sweet peas are still pegging along, so they may be biennial sweet peas!

[Snadger]

PS If they turn out red and white I'll torch the shed they're growing up!

[nick the grief]

A word of warning - the climbing rose Zepherine just does not stop - the gardener at the castle I worked at for a year or so had one that grew up into a Horse Chetnut then jumped across a divide and snaked up the downpipe on the castles gable end - we wrapped it in polythene to protect it when we were repointing the lime mortar - 13 scaffolding lifts high !!

Mine isn't Rat. Your not confusing it with Kiftsgate or Rambling Rector (i bought one of these for our Vicar ) are you?

[Stroppy scotte]

Fantastic space saving idea!
Wonder whether they can be constructed out of all pallets!!
I know I keep going on about pallets but they have saved us an arm and a leg so far!!
Useful iI hear you say !! It wouldn't be easy to work otherwise!!

[Alice]

I have a Zepherin Drouhin,Rat. I find it no bother to keep confined to below windowsill height. It's pink, thornless, beautifully scented and best of all - does well on a north facing wall. I think your old boss got the varieties mixed up. To grow like that it would have to be Kiftsgate or Rambling Rector I think.

[Berr]

Or maybe Paul's Himalayan Musk?

PW, The golden hop looks good- no fruit though, I think. By the way, talking of old-fashioned roses, I have on very good authority that there are three of the David Austin roses that shouldn't be missed (they do well up here, which is saying something). They are William Shakespeare, Golden Celebrations, and Falstaff. All three have especially good disease resistance, and Falstaff can be grown as a short climber- it has excellent scent too, apparently. Trouble with the otherwise wonderful Zephyrin Drouhin, like almost all the Bourbons, is its susceptibility to black spot and mildew.