Peat?

[FionaH]

yes it started to seem to me the mods had only issued any moderating onto people who are pro peat users, those not pro peat users that had strayed form the exact subject matter seemingly have slipped under the mod radar unless its just a weired coincidence that they are posting moderating comments when a pro user had just posted The Mods no doubt are going to reply its a coincidence which can leave me with a sense of theirs a lots of strong farmyard smells around here

Are you suggesting that mods are backing the non peat users? Please see here: http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...tml#post812777

We are merely asking that people confine their remarks to the issue in hand and not make this debate personal. A suggestion I would advise you to take to heart if you are starting to make any accusations of bias in the moderating of this forum.

[radioactive]

IF Peat was good enough for my Dad and his Dad then its good enough for me too and I want some of that cheese off the moon as well !

[selfraising]

yes it started to seem to me the mods had only issued any moderating onto people who are pro peat users, those not pro peat users that had strayed form the exact subject matter seemingly have slipped under the mod radar unless its just a weired coincidence that they are posting moderating comments when a pro user had just posted The Mods no doubt are going to reply its a coincidence which can leave me with a sense of theirs a lots of strong farmyard smells around here

Having been on this forum a little longer than you, I can only say that I have viewed the mods as very fair and hard working. They are merely asking ALL of us to refrain from getting too heated over a particular topic.

[zazen999]

yes it started to seem to me the mods had only issued any moderating onto people who are pro peat users, those not pro peat users that had strayed form the exact subject matter seemingly have slipped under the mod radar unless its just a weired coincidence that they are posting moderating comments when a pro user had just posted The Mods no doubt are going to reply its a coincidence which can leave me with a sense of theirs a lots of strong farmyard smells around here

The only moderating we've done on here is to remove abusive remarks and to fix some quotes as far as I can see.

You are more than welcome to remove yourself from this forum if you find it so distasteful on here.

[binley100]

IF Peat was good enough for my Dad and his Dad then its good enough for me too and I want some of that cheese off the moon as well !

Lemmings and cliff springs to mind.......

My grandad probably used peat , he probably used all manner of nasty pesticides too ........doesn't meant that they are the right things to be using int this day and age when we are more knowledgeable in the things that are damaging the environment......

[Two_Sheds]

Two Sheds are you on a commission from new horizon because if not you really should be. JOKE.

I can see a jest without you putting it in capitals, thanks

theirs a lots of strong farmyard smells around here

...but precious little valid argument.

Please, take a deep breath, and rise to the challenge, if you can: to do a trial of New Horizon (the best peat free) against your chosen brand of peat.

Don't just say "peat is best" without providing some evidence, and don't slate peat free unless you've actually tried it

[radioactive]

The only moderating we've done on here is to remove abusive remarks and to fix some quotes as far as I can see.

You are more than welcome to remove yourself from this forum if you find it so distasteful on here.

And why would I want to do that?
I have no problems whatsoever with any of the members here but by your comment you are seeing it as if I have! I can assure you I have not! And also I think that in the world of political correctness your comment is distasteful to be made in front of the entire forum Perhaps you find my way of expressing how I feel on certain subjects perhaps a little too full on or overpowering but at the end of the day I am replying in the main to comments left for me to be interpreted by myself My perception may differ greatly from that of it original author and vice versa but believe me I feel its not cricket to drop your big trump card telling me where to go perhaps thats why you have personal messaging available
anyway I am willing to say no more about it suffice to say I would rather just observe this particular thread other than comment further as all I write hereafter would leave me feeling unjustified and for fear of well just fearful

[FionaH]

Perhaps you find my way of expressing how I feel on certain subjects perhaps a little too full on or overpowering

Now you come to mention it, yup I do.

This is a friendly forum. Lets try and keep it that way.

[arpoet]

Now you come to mention it, yup I do.

This is a friendly forum. Lets try and keep it that way.

Well said.... but what a good topic. I bet millions of repressed people in the Arab world wish they had freedom of thought and word as we do right now.

We all have our own views and opinons on lots of gardening subjects and long may that be so. We dont have to agree or take advice of those who may have opposing views, but thats what happens with free speech.

Yes, I make lots of my own compost, but use it in the runner bean trench and raised beds, etc as, in my humble opinion, its not much use as a sowing medium. And the peat free i have tried were not much better as they are far too lumpy.
(If i paid double for organic flour and had to start sieving the lumpy bit and getting rid of bits of husk, etc, i would soon go back to mass produced flours)
So i buy peat based MPC for sowing seeds as it works well for me.

The only reason we grow foods is to feed my family and my blind pals family with as good as we can grow without high costs as we are both dissabled and on benefits.
Roger

[Pies]

Nobody going to mention bob flowerdew

[Snadger]

Until last season I was a peat man!
I had, and have an idea of what excessive peat extraction could do to the enviroment, and like fossil fuel extraction of any kind it is non- replemishable. It is a finite material and when its gone its gone. With this guilt trip weighing me down I looked for alternatives
I've always made my own John Innes type potting compost which necessitated,loam,sand and peat. This type of compost was used in Victorian times when the Industrial Revolution was deemed more important than the peat bogs.
I had tried various other additives like coir, composted bark or soil conditioner made from municipal waste, and can't say I was impresed with any of them.
Last year I decided to veer away from JI and did a small trial of various peat free composts from various stores.
Out of the many I tried, Homebase own, was the one that stood out (because it just didn't look right) it was all bitty and looked to be only part composted.
Never judge a book by its cover has to be my motto.
The crappy looking Homebase stuff out performed all the other stuff by a street mile.

If possible I will never use peat based compost again. Why should I use a fossil fuel when I can use a viable, renewable alternative?

[chris]

^ ditto. (well, season before - but only due to reading on here!)

[SarzWix]

A quick gander at the poll results shows that a number of people who still use peat to one degree or another are not commenting on this thread, and I don't blame them. If people are being put off from explaining their reasons for fear of the verbal bashing they may receive, then the thread isn't getting a balanced view. Please try and respect other people's choices, even if you don't agree with them

[Potstubsdustbins]

Their are several problems to this discussion, non I hasten to add are members of this forum.

Now you may call me a cynic but.

We are all basing our opinons on what we are told, read etc by the ex-spurts. No one here I would suggest as personal knowledge of the condition of the peat bogs or whether green house gases are causing global warming. But it is obvious that some here (Iam among them) hold strong views on the subject.

Now lets look at the real problem the ex-spurts they themselves cannot agree. One will say that peat extraction & peat accumlation are in balance, another will disagree. One will say man made global warming another climate change.

But in my humble opinion we have to take care because both sides are biased to some degree. Some by their beliefs, some by who pays their wages and some no doubt in order to get their work published and so make a name for themselves. But that bias will be there it is human nature.

I really enjoy a good debate by intelligent people with diverse but strongly held views it is some times the only way to get anywhere near the truth.

Colin

[King Carrot]

Nobody going to mention bob flowerdew

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Geoff Hamilton

Now lets look at the real problem the ex-spurts they themselves cannot agree. One will say that peat extraction & peat accumlation are in balance, another will disagree. One will say man made global warming another climate change.

Colin

Do you see any problem with this statement regarding peat extraction from any given location or area?