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Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better...Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by VirginVegGrower View PostIn relation to this Year's Good Friday (6th April) there will be a full moon, which coincides with the best time to plant potato tubers, if following lunar planting (synodic)...spooky hey
Originally posted by Thelma Sanders View PostMy moon planting book (Kollerstrom) says that St Patricks day is a root day as well! so I'll plant then as usual
Is it the same in your method VVG? it's all interesting stuff isn't itOriginally posted by VirginVegGrower View PostThat's for biodynamic TS, so only for those interested in doing it by the constellations. St P day no good for me as I am synodic (waxing/waning) this year. Coincidence or not? Yes it is very interesting...!
Which leads on to my favourite question... I asked this once before and we all ended up with a headache, sorry..... But for new readers.....: when a seed potato is put in the ground (or indeed any seed in compost etc) and it's lying there in complete darkness how does it know which way is up for the shoots and leaves and which way is down or round and about for the roots? I recall the general solution was "gravity" but this does mean that potatoes (and seeds) can somehow SENSE gravity.... so they have "SENSE"? Now that is spooky.....
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BB When animals are born (take a lamb as an example), how does it know that it should stand on its feet, rather than wriggle along on its back with its little hooves pointing skyward? Its not gravity but its inbuilt knowledge of what will work for the best. I put it to you that the potato also has that "knowledge".
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Originally posted by bazzaboy View Post....when a seed potato is put in the ground (or indeed any seed in compost etc) and it's lying there in complete darkness how does it know which way is up for the shoots and leaves and which way is down or round and about for the roots?
How Do Roots Grow When the Direction of Gravity Changes?The more help a man has in his garden, the less it belongs to him.
William M. Davies
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Originally posted by veggiechicken View PostI put it to you that the potato also has that "knowledge".); placed under threat many speed up their life reproductive cycle.... This does appear to be the application of a "programmed knowledge". But by the time this happens these are living organisms, as a seed most of this is dormant and if you think that's all packed into one celery seed or some even finer miniscule flower seeds it gets.... well, spooky! Magic? Spiritual? Add your own word.
Originally posted by Paulieb View PostIt seems it is gravity and the plant/seed detects this, well according to this link anyway.
How Do Roots Grow When the Direction of Gravity Changes?
Originally posted by veggiechicken View PostBaz, Bet you're at home now, looking out CD cases and blotting paper so that you can do the experiment - in the hope of proving it wrong!!
Could you squeeze a little lamb into a CD case too and see if my theory works?) Interestingly a human baby would be the opposite of your lamb example and for some time not have the capacity to achieve head up. But in the case of the lamb you've moved into the animal world where I think it's more generally accepted that young are part pre-programmed and part copying the herd (or Mum). But plants don't copy Mum do they? (I always feel desperately sorry for parent (seed) potatoes when cropping their kids, talk about devotion to duty....). Most animals including humans can be trained by voice and sound (whistle etc) but plants? Are there plants that turn away if you shout at them? But at the same time it seems they are not inert or without feelings. I once saw a TV programmed attempting to demonstrate that a cauliflower "shrieked" when being cooked. Put me right off cauliflower cheese (for a week!)
Crikey, treat your seed potatoes with kindness (desperate attempt to return this thread to its original question...), they are complex critters that merit a reasonably comfortable start, an encouraging environment and the odd treat!.
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Originally posted by veggiechicken View PostHere's a plant with feelings! Mimosa Pudica - The Sensitive Plant - YouTubesigpic“Gorillas are very intelligent, but they don't have to be as delicate as chimps -- they can just smash open the termite nest,”
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Originally posted by veggiechicken View PostI want one! I actually said "No, don't" when he held the lighter to it!
If you don't twitch them regularly do they get unfit?
The danger of having one would be no friends calling coz they're tired of having to box the plants.
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Mimosa pudica is a strict annual- even in a heated and lit greenhouse (my mum works in a tropical butterfly hall, and has never overwintered one)- but I believe there is a perennial species that acts the same.
I used to grow 'em as a kid; they're great plants, but never lived all that long or flowered for me.
Anyway. I'm leaving my spuds a while longer yet!
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Originally posted by bazzaboy View Postwhen a seed... is put in the ground ... in complete darkness how does it know which way is up for the shoots and leaves
I think this link might have been used already, about gravity: How do Plants Grow?
Gravitropism is the term for the plant's tendancy to "know" which way is up.
yes, I had to look those big words upAll gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.
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Originally posted by Two_Sheds View PostDon't they grow towards the light & the warmth?I think it has to be a gravity sensor, like a marble in an empty eggshell, it will always settle in the bottom when gravity at work thereby pointing "down". But all that squashed into a celery seed? Clever! And it STILL means seeds and seedlings have "sense", "knowledge" whatever, and if that's a correct conclusion that must surely have profound consequences?
Yes this has been discussed before with all the same long words... but I can't find that earlier discussion. The Search facility isn't the most sophisticated feature but I've tried every which way (as I can recall some of the words and even the grapes who used them....) But all to no avail. Things disappear (like "Johnny's Allotment", where did that go?) I raised this seed orientation topic again because I think it's a basic question and thought newer grapes might be interested..
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