Pepper question...

[cariann88]

What is the difference between CORNO DI TORO ROSSO and F1 CORNO DI TORO ROSSO?

I have F1 CORNO DI TORO ROSSO growing at the moment in my garden and wanted to save the seeds but I read on here that you can't save F1 types.

[teakdesk]

Where did you get the F1 variety from... a quick goggle shows all seeds I found to be standard non-F1 except for some Hybrids that are a cross with CORNO DI TORO ROSSO?

[Kirk]

The F1 refers to a genetics designation (somehow I think I have the wrong word there).
F1 means that the resultant plant should breed true and produce the plant specified.
Once grown and pollinated there is no guarantee of the cross pollinated seed being true. The dominent genetic strain that made it a CORNO DI TORO ROSSO may be lost and you end up with an undefined pepper, very likely similar to the original but not necessarily.

At some time I could explain it but cannot recall the explanation.

The word I wanted was not quite genetic but gene, that I wanted.

An F1 is guaranteed to grow "correct" after that there is guarantee.

Any good at Maths?
Set theory is the "easy" way to explain it I think.

[Thelma Sanders]

Plain Corno di Torro Rosso is not an F1, it's an Italian heritage variety - which will grow true from seed. Seeds of a CdTR will also grow true to seed if you are only growing that variety.

You can buy CdTR Capricorn and Diablo, which are both F1 'improved' versions.
F1 varieties are a specific cross between 2 different varieties of plant - plants grown from this first cross will always grow the same.
However, plants grown from their seeds will not grow true from seed, even if they are self pollinated.

[cariann88]

I bought that pepper plant and on it it says f1.


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[cariann88]

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[Thelma Sanders]

That's daft cos the seeds aren't F1 so why should the plants be F1? Unless it's because they're grafted. Who knows

Pepper Corno Di Toro Rosso Seeds - Suttons Seeds and Plants

[Kristen]

Hmmm ... it says F1 on the label, but also grafted. I wonder if they are cheating and trying to persuade you that if you save the seeds they won't be the same (in that regard they are right). Its also possible that it is both an F1 "special version" of Corno di Torro Rosso AND grafted.

The grafted version uses a different rootstock, so the top is Corno di Torro Rosso and the bottom, underground part, is something else. The "something else" will have been chosen to give better yield, disease resistance, or something else. It will probably be effected less by erratic watering and so on.

If it genuinely was an F1 "special version" then if you save the seed it won't be the same (but it might be just as good as every other, non-F1, Corno di Torro Rosso), but you are definitely not going to be able to get the same advantage of the grafting process from saving seed (that is assuming that there WAS a significant advantage - and that's hard to say unless you grew a bog-standard one alongside a grafted, "special F1 variety" one).

Even me, pessimistic about having-a-go and risking failure because of the investment of time etc. would be prepared to save seed for next year from that fruit

[cariann88]

I am going to save some seeds and give it a go next year and see how it turns out


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[Thelma Sanders]

Good luck! If you have the space you could keep that plant alive indoors on a windowledge

[cariann88]

Can I dig it up and repot it?


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[Thelma Sanders]

I do -but it won't go in a tiny pot - I use the small size of supermarket flower buckets

[cariann88]

Thanks I will do


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[cariann88]

Can I ask you all something?

What is wrong with this pepper? Is it going to turn colour or not? I know I am properly being impatient but I have took another one off that's like that and opened it up and the seeds are already inside and I've had a try and it seems to taste like a green pepper.



This is my sweet banana pepper


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[skeggijon]

Looks like it's ripening to me


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