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    First of all I apologise for the length of this posting but I wanted to include a bit of backgroundinformation.

    At the moment have a modest little private plot. It's big enough for 8 4ft x 15ft beds with 2ft paths, however one bed got cut down when they had to do works on the drains and foundations of the church, I've got my strawberries in most of what's left of that bed. So down to 7 beds.

    In order to put up a blowaway greenhouse, compost bins and a cold frame I took up another bed - 6 beds left.

    Realising that a 6ft x 4ft greenhouse isn't going to cope with the tomatoes, peppers, chillies, aubergine, tomatillo, melons, cucamelons and cucumbers I want to grow I'm going to put up another blowaway to share the load - down to 5.5 beds

    I'm going to put up three arches at the end of 4 of these beds arching over the paths. The arches are 3ft deep and 4ft wide so I'll end up with 6 vertical 3ft trellis areas, the 3ft x 3ft areas and 4 12ft beds.

    I seem to have gotten a bug for squash and their ilk. Last year I grew Costa Romanesco courgette, Marketmore cucumbers and Baby Bear squash and loved them all (suddenly I think I'm developing a pumpkin habit). and since then I have acquired a number of squash, courgette, cucumber and melon seed, which I am planning to grow up the sides o the arches, in the greenhouse, at the end of the strawberries, up wideband in the square bits at the end of the beds an underneath my sweetcorn (which I am under orders to grow because old last year's corn was lush) so now I need to work out which to grow where.

    In the greenhouse I plan on growing chameleons, Sweetheart F1 melon, possible honeydew melon and cucumbers. The two varieties I have are Marketmore and ChineseSlangen, both of which are outdoors varieties. Will these be ok in the greenhouse as long as I let pollinatorsin or hand pollinate?

    For congregated I have Romanesco, Tondo di Piacenza (both Bush) which may go at the bottom of the strawberry bed. I also have Shooting Star and Black Forest which are both touted as climbers so these will be trained up and tied to two of the arch sides. I also have summer squash F1 Polo Path Pan squash. As it's a summer squash would I be correct in assumingthat this is also a Bush plant?

    That leaves me with the squash, four trellis areas, two wigwams and the sweetcorn - 7 grow areas and 12 different varieties, so some will have to go. Ok, the varieties I have are:-

    Pumpkin Jack O Lantern
    Waltham Butternut Squash
    Pumpkin Atlantic Giant
    Sweet Dumpling Winter Squash
    Small Sugar Pumpkin
    Jack Be Little pumpkin
    Golden Hubbard Winter Squash
    Pumpkin Hundredweight
    Cha Cha F1 squash
    Vegetable squash
    Turks Turban
    Miranda winter squash

    OK, if I drop the two biggies (Hundredweight and Atlantic Giant) that still leaves 3 extra. Are all of these varieties vining or are any Bush types? Which ones would be best grown up the sides of the arches or up the wigwams? Are there any that would be too big to grow amongst the sweetcorn (thinking pumpkins pushing over the corn as they grow)? Out of these varieties are there any you wouldn't bother with or,conversely, would be a definite for your plot.
    Last edited by Jay-ell; 14-02-2015, 12:02 AM.

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    Buy a field
    Feed the soil, not the plants.
    (helps if you have cluckies)

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    • #3
      Jay I'm in a similar positions but I've chose a 3 metre by 8 metre section of my plot to grow a selection of my squashes. Going to put the trailing squash in the middle then have courgettes/cucumbers/bush squashes on the outside. It's just a matter of what to pick, I have:

      Baby Boo
      Atlantic Giant
      Charmant PMR F1
      Pink Banana
      Turks Turban
      Hawk Butternut
      Pumpkin Small Sugar (Needs most space according to packet)
      Marrow Tiger F1
      Harlequin F1
      Miranda Squash (Think we bought from same site)
      Squash Golden Nugget (Bush)
      Cucumber Perfection
      Cucumber Marketmore
      Cucumber Delikatese
      Cucumber Bedford Prizewinner
      Cucumber Crystal Lemon
      Cucumber (White can't remember)
      Cucumber Space Master
      Courgette Yellow
      Courgette Italian Ball
      Courgette All Green Bush

      I look back at the list and think I am insane... Think I might have to make myself another bed...

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      • #4
        Do Squashes and sweetcorn grow well together? I wanted to grow butternut squash but didn't think I would have room but I could if I grew it with the sweetcorn.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nicola.P View Post
          Do Squashes and sweetcorn grow well together? I wanted to grow butternut squash but didn't think I would have room but I could if I grew it with the sweetcorn.
          There is a thing called the three sisters growing method, where you grow beans, squash and sweetcorn in the same bed as companion plants.

          http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...ing_69894.html

          Little discussion in there regarding it

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          • #6
            Hi Jay-ell,

            I'm happy to be corrected, but I think all those squashes are vining not bush. The little ones like Sweet Dumpling, Jack Be Little would be fine on the arches but I'd leave heavier ones like Golden Hubbard on the ground unless your arches are really sturdy.

            When I've grown squash through corn it's been absolutely fine, but I have used the smaller squashes and given the corn a bit more room.

            PS You think that's bad? I am choosing from 32 squash varieties in my seed box.

            Thankfully I've just got my paws on a second plot...
            Last edited by sparrow100; 14-02-2015, 08:39 AM.
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            • #7
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              • #8
                Where's your Tromba d'Albenga? Everyone's must grow climbing squash. Tastes good and guaranteed to make you giggle/snigger
                http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...hes_81798.html

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                • #9
                  VC - don't tempt me. I decided that with 5 courgette/ summer squash I'd restrain myself for now (mind you they won't be sowed till April so there's still time yet) as the winter squash will at least store for months.


                  Plus I don't want to shock the women's choir group, never mind the minister

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nicola.P View Post
                    Do Squashes and sweetcorn grow well together? I wanted to grow butternut squash but didn't think I would have room but I could if I grew it with the sweetcorn.
                    Yes.

                    Carol Klein has an intro here under 3 sisters section: Small space, big taste | Life and style | The Guardian

                    there's lots more info on t'interweb about it

                    Edit: FV - apologies you beat me to it!
                    Last edited by Bohobumble; 14-02-2015, 04:38 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Traditionally the corn would be used for cornflour rather than sweet corn and the beans would be left to dry on the vine. That means that all three crops would be ready for harvest at the same time

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                      �I have not failed 1,000 times. I have successfully discovered 1,000 ways to NOT make a light bulb."
                      ― Thomas A. Edison

                      �Negative results are just what I want. They�re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don�t.�
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                      • #12
                        All trailing squashes can be left to clamber in, over and around other crops, as can cukes
                        All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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                        • #13
                          I'm not sure chameleons would be very happy in the greenhouse, though they might help keep the bugs down

                          I have the same squash squashing problem.. I keep redrawing the plans, apparently hoping extra space will magically appear...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hamamelis View Post
                            I'm not sure chameleons would be very happy in the greenhouse, though they might help keep the bugs down

                            I have the same squash squashing problem.. I keep redrawing the plans, apparently hoping extra space will magically appear...

                            Apparently they disguise themselves as cucamelons
                            Currently eyeing up the shed roof but doubt I'll be able to convert it to a roof garden without it collapsing.

                            New all singing all dancing blog - Jasons Jungle

                            �I have not failed 1,000 times. I have successfully discovered 1,000 ways to NOT make a light bulb."
                            ― Thomas A. Edison

                            �Negative results are just what I want. They�re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don�t.�
                            ― Thomas A. Edison

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by veggiechicken View Post
                              Where's your Tromba d'Albenga? Everyone's must grow climbing squash. Tastes good and guaranteed to make you giggle/snigger
                              http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...hes_81798.html
                              Ok I've succumbed. Whilst browsing on Amazon for hibiscus roselle I ended up somehow totally against my will purchasing Tromboncino Albenga.

                              And some horned melon seefs.

                              And a bush marrow.


                              New all singing all dancing blog - Jasons Jungle

                              �I have not failed 1,000 times. I have successfully discovered 1,000 ways to NOT make a light bulb."
                              ― Thomas A. Edison

                              �Negative results are just what I want. They�re just as valuable to me as positive results. I can never find the thing that does the job best until I find the ones that don�t.�
                              ― Thomas A. Edison

                              - I must be a Nutter,VC says so -

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