Everlasting Onions / Welsh Onions

[gkmagog]

Mornin' All,

I'm thinking of buying some everlasting Onion (Allium cepa Perutile) plants to put on my allotment. I have also heard you can get garlic flavoured Welsh Onions, and fancy giving them a go as well.

Unfortunately my plot is riddled with the dreaded white rot and I'm concerned i will lose the lot when I plant them.

Does anyone know if garlic flavoured Welsh Onions exist and what their 'proper' name is?
Does anyone know if these plants are susceptible to white rot?
If they are would they be happy growing in a pot?
Do they usually have a good flavour?

[Guest]

Hi and welcome to the vine

Does anyone know if garlic flavoured Welsh Onions exist and what their 'proper' name is?Unfortunately I have never heard of garlic welsh onions. How did you come to hear of them?

If they are would they be happy growing in a pot? Everlasting onions will grow in pots but they don't thrive like they would in open ground.

Does anyone know if these plants are susceptible to white rot? It would be worth trying as long as you keep some in pots as backups. Everlasting onions are tough plants so wouldn't be surprised if they survived it.

Do they usually have a good flavour? I use everlasting onions instead of spring onions, so as long as you like spring onions you'll be fine.

[veggiechicken]

Hello and welcome!
What about Garlic chives? They're perennial.

[gkmagog]

NorfolkGrey, I read a mention of them on a web page ages ago ... unfortunately age and beer have conspired to remove the exact details from my memory.

Veggiechicken, I will research Garlic Chives

many thanks

[Jay-ell]

How's this for an idea

Don't plant any aliums in an area for a couple of years but water that area regularly with garlic water to try and trick the white rot into growing and, when it doesn't find a host, die off.

Then if you want Welsh onions grow them from seed. The Perutile you could grow in containers until then.

You'll have to sterilise any implements before using them on the quarantined bed/pots EVERY TIME - and that includes you (I mean wash your hands not getting yourself sterilised)

Never heard of garlic Welsh onions. Like VC said garlic chives/chinese chives or possibly three cornered leeks or ramsons might do.

[SusieG]

A big welcome, gkmagog!
Good luck with your Welsh onions!
Do you have lots of other goodies growing - or are you new to this 'growing' malarkey ?

[gkmagog]

How's this for an idea

Don't plant any aliums in an area for a couple of years but water that area regularly with garlic water to try and trick the white rot into growing and, when it doesn't find a host, die off.

Do you thiunk ***** would do the job as well?

[gkmagog]

Many thanks for the welcome SusieG. I have lots of other things growing at the moment, I've had my allotment for 7 years or so.

I'm just new to the welsh onions malarkey

[Guest]

^^^Sorry don't know the answer, but j3y3s is no longer licensed for the use of steralising soil

[veggiechicken]

Do you thiunk ***** would do the job as well?

Haha - you'll fallen into the Jayes trap. For some reason the "system" edits out J*yes thinking its swearing or summat.
We all know what you mean - and I haven't the foggiest whether it would work - sorry

[gkmagog]

My previous response was supposed to say

'Do you think Jayes Fluid will do the job as well,

but it deleted the brand name and won't let me edit the spelling

[Jay-ell]

Do you thiunk ***** would do the job as well?

The idea with the garlic water is that the chemicals in the garlic activate the white rot corms. Commercially I think they use powered dried onions. I found a scientific paper on it somewhere but haven't tried it yet myself.

P.S.
J's might kill it but it would kill all the beneficial stuff as well.

I don't think that J's is approved any more for soil sterilisation

[Jay-ell]

have a read of this

[Scarlet]

I grow "Welsh onions" in a pot. (Actually two or maybe three pots!) They are like spring onions, a hollow stem and will regrow several times if you harvest the stem. I use them very much like chives although you can harvest the bulb it is very small.

https://www.pennardplants.com/proddetail.php?prod=Ed015
I also have a problem with white rot and ive tried the garlic water this winter that Jayell has suggested. Fortunately my "Egyptian /everlasting walking onions" were planted in an area that seemed ok. These form the top sets, that drop to the ground and form new plants.
https://www.pennardplants.com/proddetail.php?prod=Ed010
You could try growing in very big pots or maybe an old bath sunk in the ground?

I also grow garlic chives, again in pots and they are very happy. As I keep them undercover during winter I can use them most months, and come Spring I tidy up the pots, add a little more compost with a bit of feed and they start again. This pot was pretty bare a month ago.

[Containergardener]

Ive never heard of welsh onions