I have a small garden but it does not put me off.

[bramble]

It's looking great Lumpy.
You can see just how much work has gone into it.
There is a small turnip variety on the market called Snowball. It's a white variety but very tasty.

[Philthy]

Hi Lumpy, what you've got so far looks really good
I'd just endorse what others have said in that using height gives loads more potential. Plants that have natural tendency to scramble over the ground and otherwise take up a lot of space can usually be encouraged to go up and over. Squash for example, I know they like to put down new roots every so often but I think people tend to limit a plant to four or five fruits so that they get to a reasonable size rather than loads of small ones, in which case one lot of main roots in a tub is probably okay, and the leaves will be kept clear of the ground. Cucumbers definitely are happy to be planted one end and then trained up a structure. If you want to grow the plant horizontally once it reaches a certain height you'll need to tie in regularly as the natural tendency is to go upwards, but they are fine grown this way. Added bonus is the fruits hang freely underneath and so achieve good size and uniformity. I grew cucumbers this way a few years ago on wires suspended over some groundwork's I was doing, so I was able to carry on working underneath but the space was nonetheless productive.
Any kind of trellis or structure just needs to be tough and stable as there could be a few kilos of weight resting on them by the summer. Looking at your pics I noticed you have that line of tubs alongside your path; my first thought was maybe putting a ladder over the top of them, supported at each end, to a height of say 4'? No additional space taken up, and the existing plants still have room and light to grow away underneath..

[Greenleaves]

Looks great Lumpy, really nice garden

[rary]

Lumpy put a fence stake into the garden and fix pots around it, as you go up the pots can be positioned as close or as wide as you want, and the same as you go round they can be in line or staggered

[Lumpy]

Thank you all.
I think asking around the neighbours to see if anyone could pick me up some stakes so I can have a go at the ideas may be a plan.
I’ve even got some of the quick dry cement stuff to help with the winds.

XX

[Penellype]

Looks great Lumpy, you seem to have managed to fit a huge amount in given the restrictions.

Would your grumpy neighbour object to pot hangers which hook over the fence top and don't do any damage? I use these (several sizes available) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fence-hange.../dp/B00UG2Z854 and find them extremely good. If you are good at DIY (I'm not), you could easily make them out of a single piece of plastic coated wire:



I have some 5", 6" and 7" ones - I wouldn't recommend 7" (which take 3 litre pots) on ordinary fence panels as they are probably too heavy - I use them on my purpose built front fence, which is made of 1" thick timber.

These are some of my strawberries:



What I do is put 2 pots the same size one inside the other (the black ones are 6 inch, the terracotta ones 5 inch) with a gel "water slice" between sitting on a piece of polythene so that there is a water reservoir. I mix strawberries and flowers - these strawberries are the pink flowered (and extremely tasty) Just Add Cream.

[Snoop Puss]

Some fantastic ideas here that I might steal. Love the stake idea, Rary.

[Lumpy]

Thanks for the idea Penellype but a few days after the pea netting incident a letter turned up.
As I had not paid for or built the fence I'm not allowed to paint it, grow anything up or over it or attached anything to it (and there was me planning a flying gnome family) without permission of the owner.

It came from the bluggers brief.
I don't think the hangers would work,

[rary]

Lumpy should have added, a very nice garden, the type that gets me into trouble from OH, "see they have a small garden and they can keep it tidy, why can't you?" so needless to say she won't be seeing your photos, I think I should be like Snoop at put on a reminder, Must be tidy. Naaaaa wouldn't work

[Nicos]

Have to say that I think your garden is fantastic....practical, productive and very pretty!
I'd love to see some summer piccies please when the plants are at their most productive?

I like the idea of 2posts-about 6 ft high with a ladder bridging them.
6 ft is probably the max you can have near a fenceline maybe? ( worth checking?)

[1Bee]

Honestly Lumpy, that's beautiful.

HH has said what I would about arches.... And someone else mentored stakes in front of the fence. Those were the only things I could think of. .

[Ms-T]

Lovely garden Lumpy.

[Penellype]

Thanks for the idea Penellype but a few days after the pea netting incident a letter turned up.
As I had not paid for or built the fence I'm not allowed to paint it, grow anything up or over it or attached anything to it (and there was me planning a flying gnome family) without permission of the owner.

It came from the bluggers brief.
I don't think the hangers would work,

Crikey! If you are not allowed to paint it, surely eventually it will rot as your side will not be protected from the elements. Then he would have to pay for a new one - serve him right, I say!

I'd be growing tall things just in front of it

[veggiechicken]

What about putting up your own "fence" alongside his? It doesn't have to touch his but, sadly, it would mean that he would be unable to maintain his and, if it fell down you'd still have an enclosed garden.
A few fence posts and some wire netting would give you somewhere to climb peas and squashes, or hang pots. You can get 6' high wire netting - that should do it!!

[Lumpy]

I love the ideas about posts, ladders and fences but I'd either have to pay someone to do the construction or get a big beefy in to help me.

The only way I get round the poo coloured fence is by having blackcurrents and standard goose gogs plus an assortment of bug friendly flowers on my side. The rhubarb helps in the corner by becoming very structural looking with its bright green leaves breaking up the solid colour.