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  • Third time lucky?

    We have just started trying to keep bees after buying a hive and assorted gubbins on Ebay at the end of last season.

    I set up the hive in the apiary area of our allotment and was given a swarm by another beekeeper a week or so back (Alldigging from this forum) but unfortunately they re-swarmed later that day, so we lost them.

    The weekend just gone was completely crazy - on Saturday morning I was on my allotment for a couple of hours before I wandered up to chat to a newly arrived plot neighbour.

    As I got close he said 'I think we may have a bee problem', and pointed over towards Alldiggging's shed where a large number of bees were circling.

    On closer inspection I found that she had left an old bait box out, balanced on top of some pallets and a wild swarm had found it and was busily going in.

    Alldigging lives nearby, so was soon on site after I had called her, and she promised us the swarm.

    Shortly after that I went home, and had only been in for about an hour or so when Alldigging called and told me that she had caught another wild swarm in an alley near to her house. As this one was larger, we agreed to have that one instead.

    As the first swarm had left within a few hours of being put in the hive we decided to wait until near dusk to introduce these to their new home, so Alldigging and my wife spent a happy half hour or so tipping bees out of a cardboard box and into the hive.

    On Sunday morning we paid a visit, and heard lots of happy buzzing from the box so assumed all was well, but at 12.30 another message from Alldigging informed us that this swarm, too, had left.

    About two hours later we were sat in the front garden with our grandson when we heard a load of buzzing, and looked up to see a huge swarm flying up the road towards us! They flew right overhead and ended up about 12' up a neighbours conifer hedge.

    I decided that I would try and catch these, even though I had no experience and the biggest set of steps I had was only 3' high! I am 6' tall, so I still had quite a stretch to reach the bees.

    Positioning a large empty box on an old shower curtain under the bees, I stretched up with my loppers and started to cut blindly inside the hedge.

    The first small branch missed the box entirely, so I jumped down and scooped up as many bees as I could into the box, but realised I hadn't got the queen as those still inthe tree showed no signs of moving.

    The second branch was larger, and much heavier with the weight of bees which made it swing and drop all over my head - fortunately I was wearing my wife's beekeeping smock and veil, but it was still a bit unsettling.

    A couple more branches later I finally got the queen into the box, ten minutes later about 95% of the bees were in the box!

    As you can imagine, all this flailing around in the middle of a swarm had attracted the attention of several neighbours who now think I'm a hero

    Sunday night saw us pouring the swarm into the hive (without super) but this time we put the queen excluder under the hive to keep her inside for a few days.

    This swarm looke to be nearly double the size of the previous two, and some of the bees were very pale, almost albino. Could they be of Italian descent as Alldigging thinks?

    As of today they are still in the hive, and we are planning on going to feed them some sugar syrup as the rain will have kept most of them inside over the past day or so, and so they may be getting quite hungry.

    We are hoping that this will be third time lucky and they will stay so we can get our hive up and running at last.

    I would be intrested to hear if anyone else has had such trouble getting started. and if anyone has any advice on how to get them to stay once we remove the queen excluder from the base?

    Andy
    Last edited by Samurailord; 03-06-2014, 02:27 PM.
    http://vegpatchkid.blogspot.co.uk/ Latest Blog Entries Friday 13 Mar 2015 - Sowing Update

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    Once they've built comb they will hopefully stay. No guarantees though.
    You can't even guarantee them staying by putting a frame of brood in either from what I was reading elsewhere.
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    • #3
      Any drawn comb helps to make it homely for them, a frame of stores makes it like the Hilton. A bare hive or a hive with just foundation in is a bit more YHA to them. Being fickle they may or may not stay in ANY of them

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      • #4
        At least your bees were free.

        Last year I attended a beekeeping course and a colleague had to pay £300 for a nuc of bees.

        I bet she would have been pretty miffed if they had vanished so soon.

        Good luck in your new venture !

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        • #5
          Last year bees were scarce because of a hardish winter and two really bad springs. Colony failure was as high as 50% in some areas. Our local bee society equipment day last year was a disaster as everyone had hives but no bees. This year has been cracking so far, my freind who has country bees has taken 350lb of oil seed rape honey off 3 hives. My four urban hives are less generous but still have two supers on each at the moment.

          I suspect that nucs will probably cost half this year to what was charged last year.
          Last edited by pigletwillie; 04-06-2014, 08:55 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pigletwillie View Post
            I suspect that nucs will probably cost half this year to what was charged last year.
            I had been quoted £50 for a swarm from a local bee keeper, but that was before I managed to catch this one.

            We had a quick look last night when we put a feeder in, and they were all still there , mainly on the first three frames.

            Some came out when I took the crown board off to have a look, they seemed very thargic at first but were soon dive bombimg me.

            I hope that they aren't going to be a defensive swarm

            From what I have found out on G**gle, they may well be of Italian descent due to their colouring, and so they shouldn't be any more aggressive than any others, but they do have a propensity to raid other, weaker hives so I may not be too popular with the other bee keepers

            Andy
            Last edited by Samurailord; 04-06-2014, 01:25 PM.
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            • #7
              Hi same thing had used a nucleas had the bees for approx 3 weeks before deciding to swarm. My mistake was not placing queen excluder over entrance.The bees that were left where to few even introduced new virgin queen but failed.
              Felt :/ still have most of the equipment but no bees

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              • #8
                QEs over the entrance not only stop the queen from leaving but also the drones.. so should not be on long...

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                • #9
                  Just a quick update - our bees are still with us, and building up in numbers very quickly.

                  We had an inspection on Tuesday night, the bees have drawn comb on frames 3 through 10 and there are brood of all ages present, and we also saw the queen again. i didn't see any eggs, but my eyesight is not as good as it was

                  There is a lot of extra comb on the frames because I made the mistake of using castellations on the brood box when we started (it seemed to make sense at the time) so we will soon have to deal with that.

                  There were also several queen cells on frames 5, 6 and 7, which we destroyed. All appeared to be empty.

                  I added a super without an excluder to see if the colony wants to expand a bit - I wasnt expecting to collect any honey this year anyway, and if it stops them from making swarm preparations it will be a good move.

                  We are doing another check on Sunday to see if they have made any more queen cells.

                  Andy
                  http://vegpatchkid.blogspot.co.uk/ Latest Blog Entries Friday 13 Mar 2015 - Sowing Update

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                  • #10
                    Ordered queen

                    Hi decided to order a Italian queen she arrives Friday so setting my nuc up at the apiary on Saturday.
                    We have introduced Danish Queens from two weeks ago so a bit of an experiment hopefully a nice placid hive and with my hard working Italian Queen next generation could be interesting.

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                    • #11
                      Another update.

                      We checked our colony yesterday to find that our bees were all through the super and had drawn comb on every frame (admittedly some of it was only a few cells-worth) and there was even some honey being stored there.

                      The brood box was still very busy, with a bit more comb on the existing frames but no more proper queen cells, just a few that our mentor called 'practice cups' which were empty.

                      Presumably these were made earlier in the week before the extra space in the super was discovered.

                      We still have the problem of the 'mutant' comb which was made because we screwed up the brood box spacing to start with (we used castellations), but I think I have a cunning plan to deal with that, one frame at a time.

                      We have our local Bee Inspector coming to visit on Wednesday morning - that should be interesting to see what he has to say.

                      Andy
                      http://vegpatchkid.blogspot.co.uk/ Latest Blog Entries Friday 13 Mar 2015 - Sowing Update

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