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  • Plan to sell off nature reserves risks 'austerity countryside'

    Some of the most beautiful areas of Britain could be sold off and wildlife and countryside protection measures cut to the bone to meet expected 40% cuts in the budget of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, it emerged.
    Among the plans being considered by the government, which once declared itself "the greenest ever", are selling off national nature reserves; privatising parts of the Forestry Commission; privatising the Met Office, one of the world's leading research organisations on climate change; and withdrawing grants to British Waterways, which manages 2,200 miles of canals and rivers.
    Natural England, the government's principal nature conservation agency, has put forward 400 job cuts next year, and up to another 400 after that, potentially one third of its workforce.
    There are also concerns that the Environment Agency, which looks after waterways, air and soil, will have to slash spending on pollution and waste controls and river protection after the environment secretary, Caroline Spelman, recently said she had made it "perfectly clear" that the government would maintain the level of spending on flood defences – which take up more than half the agency's budget.
    Political observers warned that ministers could be floating radical ideas to soften the blow of lesser but still swingeing cuts in the autumn review of government spending for 2011-14. However, if they go ahead such dramatic cuts would be the most radical rethink of the British natural environment in the last 40 years.

    Plan to sell off nature reserves risks 'austerity countryside' | Environment | The Guardian


    So......comments?


  • #2
    Guardian? labour rag. Lots of coulds and maybes in that story.
    Last edited by pdblake; 17-08-2010, 09:05 PM.
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    • #3
      Lot's of "could", "expected" and "considered" within a newspeper article...
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      • #4
        I wonder how the Torygraph would dress this one up?
        Whooops - now what are the dogs getting up to?

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        • #5
          Hmm

          Anyone who believes any newspaper is a first class.. word deleted.
          Late July I was discussing weather with a retired gentleman and bemoaning the weather.

          "Never mind" he sid " the papers are saying we will have a baking hot August".. A month later we've had twice the average rainfall...



          It's bad enough reading the rubbish but having it repeated again is tantamount to cruelty.

          And look how accurate it is..

          Anyway, DEFRA wastes most of its budget.. killing cows or pigs or sheep.. and spreading disease.. It should be culled . :-)
          Last edited by Madasafish; 23-08-2010, 03:54 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Madasafish View Post
            Hmm



            It's bad enough reading the rubbish but having it repeated again is tantamount to cruelty.
            It is called information and discussion. No ones forcing you to read it on here are they?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Madasafish View Post
              Hmm

              Anyone who believes any newspaper is a first class.. word deleted.


              It's bad enough reading the rubbish but having it repeated again is tantamount to cruelty.
              Someone somewhere in some newspaper office at one point would have got at least one story right - who are you to decide that anyone that believed THAT is a [word deleted]?

              Most people know that newspapers are there to sell copy; but most will also know that it is in the interests of other people to leak information to the press to score points.

              That's why the words 'so...comments' is in the first post; however it seems nobody is either interested in the leak, or in the story real or fabricated. No worries! There are other places to debate these things, luckily!

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              • #8
                Well I think it's an interesting & quite shocking piece. It says that nature reserves might be sold off - I wonder who too. We have 2 'private' nature reserves near us and they're managed really well. One is open to the public and the other is still in the process of being converted back to it's natural state, so it's not always a bad thing. However, it means the land could be brought by un-scrupulous builders (or any builders come to that) then it is extremely worrying of course.

                Terribly sad to see so many jobs could be affected. I wonder what the 60% is being spent on? Perhaps they need to re-structure top management and wages!

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                • #9
                  Yet again it looks like Lib Dem ideals will be trampled by Tory policy. If the government were 'the greenest ever' this wouldn't even be being mooted as a possibility

                  Yes, I daresay DEFRA do have 'waste' to deal with, but I fail to see why this means things like The Forestry Commission and The Met Office need to be 'privatised' (a Tory mantra which makes me shudder).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SarzWix View Post
                    Yet again it looks like Lib Dem ideals will be trampled by Tory policy. If the government were 'the greenest ever' this wouldn't even be being mooted as a possibility

                    Yes, I daresay DEFRA do have 'waste' to deal with, but I fail to see why this means things like The Forestry Commission and The Met Office need to be 'privatised' (a Tory mantra which makes me shudder).
                    Toooooo early for politics for me I'm afraid, and I don't know enough about the met office to know whether being privatised is good or bad. I know they do more than gather facts just for the weather slot on news programes, but they don't come across to the general public very well because of their constant inaccuracies.

                    I find this difficult because they're saying these cuts will help the country out of the cronnic debt we're in which I do support but as always the question is at what expense. But then if I knew the answer, I'd be Priminister ;p

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                    • #11
                      The Met Office spend millions on supercomputers so they can forecast the weather for the next 100 years and tell us how bad climate change is.
                      Meanwhile for the last two years they fail to forecast accurately 6 months ahead..

                      The above are facts which suggest they are - how shall I put it mildly - about as careful at spending our money as the BBC are..
                      Last edited by Madasafish; 24-08-2010, 04:47 PM.

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                      • #12
                        That's because forecasting the weather accurately 6 months ahead is a difficult and inaccurate science. It's easier to plot long-term (100 years) or short-term (5 days) than it is to say what will happen in a month or a year.

                        Both parties are reneging on their election promises to care for the people who care for the countryside and live in rural areas with these policies. Who is going to feel the brunt of job losses in these sectors? Rural areas, again. And yet more countryside management skills are going to be lost.

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                        • #13
                          Ah but it's all ok guys. I heard on the radio today that certain govt. departments are helping to decrease the massive deficit by no longer having pot plants or chocolate bikkies. So thats ok then.................
                          WPC F Hobbit, Shire police

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                          • #14
                            The RSPB are running a campaign to email the Government to stop the spending cuts threatening nature reserves etc. Here's a link to where you can sign their email.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SarzWix View Post
                              That's because forecasting the weather accurately 6 months ahead is a difficult and inaccurate science. It's easier to plot long-term (100 years) or short-term (5 days) than it is to say what will happen in a month or a year.
                              .


                              I take it you just left out the smilies in error when you posted that joke...

                              In the last 150 years we have seen the Thames ice up, very severe winter blizzards kill hundreds, part of England flood badly and record summer temperatures... I see no evidence of any 100 year forecasts with such extremes.

                              And the UK's weather is driven by high and low pressure systems - which are affected by anything from sunlight to clouds and volcanic ash.

                              So the Met Office to do a 100 year forecast which has any meaning has to accurately forecast volcanic eruptions...

                              Why? Well as an example:

                              The 1783 volcanic eruption at laki Iceland "...has been estimated to have killed over six million people[5] globally, making it the deadliest volcanic eruption in historical times. The drop in temperatures, due to the sulfuric dioxide gases spewed into the northern hemisphere, caused crop failures in Europe, droughts in India, and Japan's worst famine."

                              Laki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



                              So anyone who purports to have a forecast for 100 years clearly can do what no-one else can: forecast volcanic eruptions accurately.

                              Can't be done yet. So it's just disingenuous to say they can and they know it...

                              And just in case you think I am cherry picking one volcanic event, read this:

                              Volcanic Eruptions and European History

                              (Especially the Middle Ages bit).

                              To suggest that man alone alters the climate and to ignore completely external events which have regularly happened in the past is sheer propaganda and bad science...
                              Last edited by Madasafish; 25-08-2010, 02:45 PM.

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