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  • Bokashi update, emptying and info.

    Today was the day I planned to empty my first bokashi bin into the compost heap.
    It took a month to fill and I left it another 3 weeks to ferment. I was a bit worried that the smell may be horrible as a large proportion of the contents were meat based, including raw chicken skin and fish.

    Took the top off, smelt OK to me but looked no different, no white mold but thankfully no green mold either.
    Very heavy as I'd really packed it in and pressed down each time I filled it. Turned it upsidedown over the compost bin and it just fell out in one big heavy lump. Easy to take the plastic drain bit off the now top. Quite facinating seeing all the differnt coloured layers.
    Got my big garden fork and broke it all up, turning the heap and mixing well.
    Smell was fine, just a vinegar, almost fruity smell, so I presume it worked fine.
    Looking forward to seeing how this affects the compost heap.

    Only thing not happy about is the tap, as it leaked. It came with 2 rubbery washers, the tap and a plastic nut. Wasn't sure where to put the washers, so put one on either side of the hole in the bin. But when tightening the nut, a difficult thing to do, the inner washer kept popping over the nut. So ended up not tightening it as much as would have liked and subsequently it did leak. Upon emptying I noticed the washer had indeed popped off again.
    On the new one I started I only put one washer on and put this on the outside of the hole in the bin and could therefore tighten the nut better. May also smear around the outside with Vasaline just incase.

    Hope this reassures anyone thinking of using boksahi bins and scared off by stories of terrible, retching inducing smells.
    I did make a 'pad' to put over the food to basically seal it off from the large air pocket above. I used a few layers of cling film folded over which worked well.

  • #2
    Hi fly trap,

    have had my bokashi now for about 6 months and i have nevr had any bad smells from it, I just think it is agreat bit of kit.

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    • #3
      I've never bothered plugging the air section at the top but do put a bit of newspaper in the bottom to stop the bran falling into the sump when you first start filling. I also don't find it smelly or remotely offensive but OH, who has a very poor sense of smell!, thinks it smells rank when he takes the lid off. Neither of us can smell it when sealed so all OK to have it under the sink. I put a load in my bean trench this year and it seemed to work well.

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      • #4
        I have to say I think mine tends to smell of vomit , but I get the white mold, and the liquid smells of vinegar, so suppose it's ok. I put it in the compost bin, and put some old compost over it, I'm using the old stuff from the tomatoes at the moment. When I emptied the last compost bin everything was well broken up, and there was no smells at all. OH did say I could have removed the chicken bones before spreading it on the garden though!
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        • #5
          Bokashi Blues

          I've just checked my first bokashi bin - having been left outside for two weeks after filling, I thought it was then ready for adding to compost.

          But when I opened the lid, the contents look exactly as it did when I closed the lid two weeks ago - is this right or should they be rotted down to some extent? I thought they should be rotted and reading Flytrap's post here it seems they should have rotted down. Mine looks as if it's been doing nothing for the last 2 weeks.

          Any suggestions or advice welcome.
          Last edited by maytreefrannie; 07-11-2008, 01:07 PM.
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          • #6
            Hi maytreefrannie,

            No, mine also looked exactly the same as when I put it in. It just pickles it.
            Once mixed in with my compost heap, then everything seemed to disapear. Although the heap does smell a bit of ammonia now, probably due to the breakdown of all the meat stuff.
            I kept mine indoors though, not sure if it takes longer in a colder outdoors enviornment.

            BarleySugar, my first bin smelled OK and the juice smelled fine just a bit vinegary. My second bin smells a bit more when lid off but the juice, like you said, smells of vomit and makes me wretch.
            The only difference that I noted, apart from the smell of the juice was that some oil is floating on the juice. I do remember after roasting some chicken thighs, that although I poured the fat into the ordinary bin, I put the set 'jelly' into the bokashi bin. Maybe I shouldn't have done that.

            Oh well, guess I'll have to put up with it and hope thereafter they are all as good as the first one I did.

            Flytrap.

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            • #7
              It's not really supposed to compost down in the bin, just pickled and "preserved". It does rot down really quickly once it's buried in the soil - probably the worms doing their job! I've had very little "juice" from mine this time and I've put that down to the fact that I put paper as the first layer to stop the bran falling through the holes. I've always had a film of oil on the surface of the liquid but it hasn't harmed any of the plants I've fed with it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by BarleySugar View Post
                OH did say I could have removed the chicken bones before spreading it on the garden though!
                aha, so the bones don't break down then. I was wondering about that. I'd been hoping they'd soften and disintegrate or something. oh well. I'll be picking them out of my compost sometime soon then

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                • #9
                  Thanks a mil, Flytrap, Maureen and all - I've empied the first bin today into the compost heap, so hopefully it will rot down quickly. And you're right - it seemed pickled.


                  Originally posted by MaureenHall View Post
                  It's not really supposed to compost down in the bin, just pickled and "preserved". It does rot down really quickly once it's buried in the soil - probably the worms doing their job! I've had very little "juice" from mine this time and I've put that down to the fact that I put paper as the first layer to stop the bran falling through the holes. I've always had a film of oil on the surface of the liquid but it hasn't harmed any of the plants I've fed with it.
                  The first bin (the one I emptied today) gave a small amount of very strong smelling liquid.

                  For the second one, having read your piece about the newspaper, I used nettles to line the end to keep the bran from falling through. That was two weeks ago. The second bin is just now full and I've had a small amount of liquid from it but it's really mild - doesn't have any smell to speak of.

                  Thanks again to everyone for all your help.
                  Last edited by maytreefrannie; 08-11-2008, 03:23 PM.
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                  • #10
                    bokashi !!!

                    Hi,
                    I have tried the bins and was disppointed - thought it'd break up more, didn't like cleaning the bins and started wondering if it was more environmentally friendly as you need to grow bran, and you need water to wash bins. Anyow I tried just wrpping waste in newspaper and adding to compost bin and it broke down really quickly wihtout smell. So i thought about ading bokashi bran to my newspaper packages. I am worried about rats, and have not added newspaper packages to compost for a while. Would this work or would it be a problem because it is not airthight?? Any ideas??

                    Thanks

                    Kirsti

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                    • #11
                      Do you mean adding meat and dairy to your compost bin? Personally I never would without pre treatment such as bokashi for the rat risk which you mention and I'm reasonably sure that the reaction wouldn't work properly in just a newspaper parcel if you added bran due to the oxygen presence. Never really thought about it too much as I don't mind washing the bins out, tend to use water butt water initially as that's nearer the compost heap which I've just emptyied the contents into and then can use old dishwater water for the final rinse through. I wouldn't have thought the impact of water use was very high as it's not like baked on dirt and they clean out easily.

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                      • #12
                        One of the things I hate about this stuff is cleaning the bins after they have been emptied. I had been washing them but I have read recently that they should be rinsed only - no detergent. Has anyone else any thoughts about this? Also the liquid often seems greasy or oily - will this harm plants or lead to blocked drains?

                        Thanks
                        Lise

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mamamunk68 View Post
                          One of the things I hate about this stuff is cleaning the bins after they have been emptied. I had been washing them but I have read recently that they should be rinsed only - no detergent.
                          I just hose the insides out and wipe the outside down and then start filling the bucket again.

                          As for bones in it. I smash them up with a hammer before I put them in the bin.

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