Global warmiing!!

[esbo]

How would you feel about it being 2C warmer?

I'd be delighted!!!

[Alison]

But that's not actually what Climate Change means, overall temp rise comes with wild fluctuations in weather, a, guessing you'd be less keen on more high winds & storms and floods / droughts?

[esbo]

Another point, plants grow faster with more CO2!!

The also grow faster at higher temps



C to F
86 =30
90=32.2
80 =26.6
70 = 21
60= 15.5
50= 10
40 = 4.4

[Alison]

That will depend on the type of plant as to if that's a good thing, some will grow fast and bolt and some crops just won't like it at all.

However, I'm not sure what the point of this thread is so probably best I leave you to it.

[esbo]

But that's not actually what Climate Change means, overall temp rise comes with wild fluctuations in weather, a, guessing you'd be less keen on more high winds & storms and floods / droughts?

I am not sure I would agree with you about wild changes in weather.
The weather has always been change able.
Lets not forget the famines and floods in biblical times!!

I believe wind farms are more likely to effect the weather, ironically they are supposed to be the solution to warming!!!

Taking all that energy out of the wind is likely to lead to stagnant weather systems IMO, that would bring extremes.

One thing is clear though, you won't be growing many potatoes under a glacier

If you do not see the point of a thread, rather than saying so and leaving it would
use a lot less time an energy is you simpler if you just posted in threads which interest you.

That is what I do.

[esbo]

That will depend on the type of plant as to if that's a good thing, some will grow fast and bolt and some crops just won't like it at all.

However, I'm not sure what the point of this thread is so probably best I leave you to it.

Well you can switch a crop more suited to warmer weather, but you will not be growing much in frozen soil.

The point is quite simple, I like global warming.

[Potstubsdustbins]

What ever the weather patterns the future may hold all the gardener can do is learn to work with what he/she sis given.

There is very little we mere mortals can do to influence the weather.

[rary]

However, I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

IMHO.(I always wanted to use that) it`s a wined up

[Thelma Sanders]

IMHO.(I always wanted to use that) it`s a wined up

Wind up or wine-d up.....it's had the same effect

[Penellype]

In my opinion, and I've made it my business to study this thing, this is the single most serious problem facing mankind. The reason for that is the tendency of human beings to concentrate on what affects the immediate future even if they know that in the long term it is dangerous. The best analogy I know of is smoking. Everyone knows smoking causes cancer, but its so difficult to stop because apart from the addictive nature of the cigarette, the danger seems unreal and unconnected to the actual smoking experience.

Global warming is not about a pleasant increase in temperature making winter warmer and summer hotter. It is about a frightening sea level rise engulfing large areas of land, mass extinctions of large numbers of species of animals and plants, hunger, thirst, migration of large numbers of people from areas which have become uninhabitable, wars over diminishing resources and changes in local weather patterns. At its worst (and we have no idea what the trigger points are) it is about ocean currents stopping, leading to stagnant seas and the death of most of the life on the planet, very probably including us. This has happened before and very little life survived it.

This is not nice. It's not just about weather. Its brutal, ruthless and unstoppable. All we can do is try to make it less horrific, and time is running out. If there was a huge asteroid heading straight for earth and due to hit us in 2025 all of the world's scientists would be clubbing together and governments pouring resources into research to find a way of stopping armageddon. This is no less dangerous, but it is much less visible.

I'm doing what I can - I have solar panels and tailor my major electricity use to when I am generating it as much as I can. I grow as much of my own food as I can, I don't fly, I avoid buying food that has come half way round the world and I am thinking of getting an electric car. Small things, but if everyone did the same it would make a difference. Whether it would be enough, whether anything is now enough, who knows. But the certainty is, the longer we stick our heads in the sand, the worse the outcome will be.

Ok, I'll get down off my soap box now. Sorry.

[veggiechicken]

Well said, Penellype.
Wishing for it to be "2C warmer" so that you can put your plants out in the garden sooner ignores all the consequences of such a temperature rise.

I'm moving this thread to the Weather and Climate Board http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...ing_84685.html as it has little relevance to growing vegetables - some may say it should be in General Chitchat!

[esbo]

In my opinion, and I've made it my business to study this thing, this is the single most serious problem facing mankind. The reason for that is the tendency of human beings to concentrate on what affects the immediate future even if they know that in the long term it is dangerous. The best analogy I know of is smoking. Everyone knows smoking causes cancer, but its so difficult to stop because apart from the addictive nature of the cigarette, the danger seems unreal and unconnected to the actual smoking experience.

Global warming is not about a pleasant increase in temperature making winter warmer and summer hotter. It is about a frightening sea level rise engulfing large areas of land, mass extinctions of large numbers of species of animals and plants, hunger, thirst, migration of large numbers of people from areas which have become uninhabitable, wars over diminishing resources and changes in local weather patterns. At its worst (and we have no idea what the trigger points are) it is about ocean currents stopping, leading to stagnant seas and the death of most of the life on the planet, very probably including us. This has happened before and very little life survived it.

This is not nice. It's not just about weather. Its brutal, ruthless and unstoppable. All we can do is try to make it less horrific, and time is running out. If there was a huge asteroid heading straight for earth and due to hit us in 2025 all of the world's scientists would be clubbing together and governments pouring resources into research to find a way of stopping armageddon. This is no less dangerous, but it is much less visible.

I'm doing what I can - I have solar panels and tailor my major electricity use to when I am generating it as much as I can. I grow as much of my own food as I can, I don't fly, I avoid buying food that has come half way round the world and I am thinking of getting an electric car. Small things, but if everyone did the same it would make a difference. Whether it would be enough, whether anything is now enough, who knows. But the certainty is, the longer we stick our heads in the sand, the worse the outcome will be.

Ok, I'll get down off my soap box now. Sorry.

Just a quick reply to that, warming has been allegedly occupying for the last 150 years.

Have we really seen


"frightening sea level rise engulfing large areas of land, mass extinctions of large numbers of species of animals and plants, hunger, thirst, migration of large numbers of people from areas which have become uninhabitable, wars over diminishing resources and changes in local weather patterns."

No not in my opinion, yea we have seen few wars, but nothing to do with global warming.

And lets take it the other way, ie colder weather means frightening advances of glaciers, would you prefer that?

There are no trigger points, we live in an analogue not digital world, all change is gradual, smooth and slow in response to warming.

Were we better off when much of Northern Europe and Northern USA were buried under hundred of feet of ice?

I don't think so.

We already have mass migration *none* of it is down to the weather.

We have mass extinction too, but none of it down to the weather.

You would be able to grow more food with a longer growing season, grow your own exotic fruits etc...

I grow more tomatoes than I can eat without a green house.

[Nicos]

Esbo ...I've pulled your previous post.
No need to say things in such a way.

[veggiechicken]

Well you can switch a crop more suited to warmer weather, but you will not be growing much in frozen soil.

The point is quite simple, I like global warming.

You have amended your original posts by adding that you "like global warming".
I'm not even going to comment - it would be pointless!

[veggiechicken]

I'm closing this thread. This Forum is for civilised discussion and personal insults will not be tolerated.