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    I know that this has been covered on the forum before, but there's not much on it other than spraying/injecting it.

    I've got half a plot, the top half of it, which backs onto some housing has a real bad infestation of knotweed. It's starting to grow now, I can see the buds forming.

    The main problem is, I want to try and be as organic as possible about getting rid of it. People on the site have sprayed it with a strong mix of glyphosate, but after briefly reading about the negative effects as of late about it - I don't want to use it. It's rife between all my established fruit bushes that I inherited on the plot. It's right where I was about to put my compost bins, and new fruit area.

    I'm not sure if I should contact the Environment Agency myself, although it has been reported apparently.. The last thing I'd want is for them to come in and spray the lot. As harsh as it sounds, all the older generation of plot holders are saying to spray it, but at the end of the day they've what - 10/20 years to live at max? I've probably 60 odd, plus my young kiddies have their whole life ahead of them. I don't want to be eaten food that's been in the same ground, or has had spray drift and then taken down by the plant. Side-effects of using such herbicides might not materialise within 10/20 years, but heck - what about my kids? I don't want them having any effects from this later on in life - or even their kids, if they have them.

    Soooo.. as said, the general advice is to wait until full growth before it starts to take back all the sugars etc back into the roots, then spray/inject/dip the leaves in a strong mix. My brother in law is licensed to use a very strong mix, so has told me about using it.. I'm just bothered about using it. The ground where it is, has been filled in, which used to be a natural spring, so it's very wet - this is also a concern - I don't want anything nasty getting into any water-supply.

    I could cover, but it's probably pointless. I could ask to move plots, but I'll be going on another 3-5year waiting list, by which time the knotweed will have probably engulfed my main growing area.

    I could remove all the fruit bushes, and trees that are there then dip the leaves/wipe them -- but then what am I to do with the land? Resting wise, not growing edibles (frowned upon by the committee).

    Starting to dream about the bladdy stuff. I realise it's probably already under most of my plot, but it's not showing itself anywhere else yet. I'm concerned that the home owners may lean over and spray it too.

    The weed was brought in by the firm that built the houses, and back filled the gardens/area around - some plot holders who have had their plots for 60 years have confirmed it wasn't around until after the houses were built and the gardens were filled in.

    Kind of at a loss really - not sure which method to take. I don't want it spreading all over the site due to me, but I don't want to risk any disease/horrible effects to my family, nor do I want to give up my plot!!

    I've been toying with just keep digging it out, bit by bit, constantly, daily and storing the bits of roots in a sealed bin, until it's dry enough to burn. I do realise it's going to be a hard slog to do this, but the ground is good and easy to dig - so it can't be as difficult as the ground I've been working with at home. If it takes ~3 years to get rid of by spraying, I'm sure that it'll take twice as long, if not longer by constantly digging it out - eventually it should weaken it - or is it false hope?

    Not after sympathy or anything like that - just perhaps a bit of advice about dealing with it as organically as possible, and erm probably needed to vent too

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    Oh dear Chris, you're not having the best time mate are you? As far as I am aware it is a notifiable weed up here and I know from talking to Zazen that the stuff it is sprayed with is even worse than glyphosphate. I don't know what to suggest, but do know that it spreads like bu**ery. Which is why they are keen to kill it with very nasty stuff.

    Will this help you? It's the environmental agency page Environment Agency - Japanese knotweed
    Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better...Albert Einstein

    Blog - @Twotheridge: For The Record - Sowing and Growing with a Virgin Veg Grower: Spring Has Now Sprung...Boing! http://vvgsowingandgrowing2012.blogs....html?spref=tw

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    • #3
      Yes, I've read that page thank you.. I'm holding off informing them in person (the council have been notified but, as per normal have done nothing) in case they come around and spray everything.

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      • #4
        Sorry Chris Even if you take the organic approach the others on site/the council probably won't. So will their sprays leach into your soil and the watercourse. Are you going to be able to isolate your plot from the rest of the site? I doubt it.
        No help I know. Time to buy that house in the country!!

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        • #5
          I'll play the lotto this weds, vc!

          I realise that, and also that previous plot holders may have been spraying/using what not. I just think it's going be the like the whole DDT saga again..

          If I do my little bit, I'm happy - not a drop in the ocean, but at least I'm trying

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          • #6
            If you fancy a move back to Derbyshire and you have a spare half a million then there is a house I know of with a substantial amount of land and it's own wood...it's not mine, before you ask!
            Last edited by VirginVegGrower; 16-04-2012, 11:45 AM.
            Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better...Albert Einstein

            Blog - @Twotheridge: For The Record - Sowing and Growing with a Virgin Veg Grower: Spring Has Now Sprung...Boing! http://vvgsowingandgrowing2012.blogs....html?spref=tw

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            • #7
              Good luck, Chris! That's all you can do - lead by example and sleep with an easy conscience.

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              • #8
                Digging it bit by bit will do absolutely nothing I'm afraid chris and even if you did dig some up- it's illegal to dispose of it.

                Vent? yes- feel free
                Organic removal/ No chance I'm afraid.

                If you are REALLY so concerned about the toxicity to you and your children then maybe you need to find a new site? (not what you want to hear is it??) Sorry.
                "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                Location....Normandy France

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                • #9
                  Just a thought- if you do consider moving sites- then maybe the council would put you at the top of the lists ( worth pushing for)as their lack of response has clearly allowed the situation with the JK to worsen.
                  "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                  Location....Normandy France

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                  • #10
                    I thought as much, Nicos. I'll do some more research into stem injection and what actually happens to it once in the roots soil.

                    I think I'll remove edibles from that section anyhow.

                    Thanks

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                    • #11
                      I know this stuff can break up Tarmac, but how far down does the root go? If it is like a crown, does it have long tap roots? Could you put in paving slabs vertically to provide a barrier to encroachment? Big job I know, but just a thought...
                      Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better...Albert Einstein

                      Blog - @Twotheridge: For The Record - Sowing and Growing with a Virgin Veg Grower: Spring Has Now Sprung...Boing! http://vvgsowingandgrowing2012.blogs....html?spref=tw

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nicos View Post
                        Just a thought- if you do consider moving sites- then maybe the council would put you at the top of the lists ( worth pushing for)as their lack of response has clearly allowed the situation with the JK to worsen.
                        I thought that too. Leverage!
                        Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better...Albert Einstein

                        Blog - @Twotheridge: For The Record - Sowing and Growing with a Virgin Veg Grower: Spring Has Now Sprung...Boing! http://vvgsowingandgrowing2012.blogs....html?spref=tw

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                        • #13
                          VVG- the roots go down up to 10ft
                          "Nicos, Queen of Gooooogle" and... GYO's own Miss Marple

                          Location....Normandy France

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                          • #14
                            We have it growing on some land behind us that belongs to the local pub its only 4ft away from our garden wall we've notified them and the Environment Agency up to yet all the owners have done is to cut and burn it the year before last. We can't do anything to it until it comes into our garden.
                            Location....East Midlands.

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                            • #15
                              I have some of this in my tiny front garden. It weakens over time if you keep on top of it, but the roots go down very very deep! I am just making sure it doesn't spread to the next gardens.
                              Whooops - now what are the dogs getting up to?

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